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@camiinthisthang oh ok, glad it wasn't just doppler w/ this policy

@cooper_kunz they need it to sign the offer letter

what's the easiest or most obvious way to tell if a software engineer cares about what they're working on?

@dev0xx_ i thought u were gary's alt

@cooper_kunz Well obviously its LOC

@camiinthisthang at what stage do they get the tattoo? second interview?

@cooper_kunz so they have a tattoo of the company logo I don’t hire anyone who isn’t getting a tattoo of the company logo

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@blulinski @Autoparallel maybe it is!

@cooper_kunz @Autoparallel so maybe the answer is 'they can cook consistently' !

@blulinski @Autoparallel you can see what i'm getting at :)

@cooper_kunz @Autoparallel maybe they 'care' in the sense that they want to do good work, even if they dont 'care' about the work in some profound philosophical sense i would count that in the scope of 'care' though

@Autoparallel i know many that can happily cook consistently yet don't actually care about what they're working on, they are rather just good employees &/or good at their jobs? maybe i am misunderstanding some nuance

@cooper_kunz They want to work on it and they show this by happily cooking consistently. They share ideas about extending capabilities as well as new use cases. Progress continues and doesn’t periodically stall (not to be confused with running into a challenge).

@casoxbt that is pretty easy and obvious

@cooper_kunz if they work on it in their free time

@0xBebis_ talking != asking things you shouldn't have to

@cooper_kunz if you don't talk to them then you're going to miss the actual signals. an engineer can care about their craft and care about building something good without really caring about the product or the company. trying to find the signs without communicating is bad management.

@Tudmotu one can care about being a good engineer while distancing themselves from product outcomes. similarly i think i was trying to articulate that a good engineer doesn't care about social reputation, they care about outcomes (quality of code, or in your example, product success)

@cooper_kunz Maybe I misunderstood what you meant by "caring". I can only attest from my personal experience hiring & managing dozens of engineers. For me, "caring" means getting excited when the product succeeds and bummed when it fails. I want someone who values success over their own ego.

@shemnon i know. i simply always admired how much you cared.

@cooper_kunz That wasn't what I was subtweeting. But also that.

@TheRealNikR some love the process some love the outcome both can be great

@cooper_kunz I've worked on products that I had no passion for. But I still cared about the code I produced, thus making the product that much better.

@shemnon rip eof

@cooper_kunz They get upset when the project is cancelled.

@dara_khan ya that's a silly answer, you're paid for your perspective, when asked, provide it. if a manager doesn't apply sufficient disclaimers or rate adjustments relative to the employees qualifications thats on them

@cooper_kunz when marketing asks them for input they don't say "well I'm not a marketer sooo"

@TheRealNikR interesting question here is that a good or bad thing? should you care about the code? or the product? i bet it depends on the person

@cooper_kunz For most of my software dev career, I've cared more about the actual code than the product.

@Tudmotu "average" builders or software engineers caring about their social reputation, to the extent they do, is a uniquely web3 phenomena. i doubt it will continue to persist or be as relevant in future cycles as the industry matures

@cooper_kunz Engineers who put their ego first don't care about the product, they care about their reputation. Solo builders are a different beast, harder to gauge.

@0xBebis_ if you have to ask, it isn't obvious they care

@cooper_kunz ask them about their vision for the system. if they're opinionated and think far ahead then they care.

@hackerdocc former for some, latter for most. in this industry to some extent not a good hueristic, unless you're part of the ethaly crew

@cooper_kunz if they are talking about it on a party, though it's mixed signals cuz they could just be flexing or socially inept

@blulinski me & u someday in the kitchen

@cooper_kunz down for this world

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