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DisappointedIdealist
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DisappointedIdealist
@DisIdealist
Disappointed idealist.
Katılım Haziran 2014
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Behold the emergence of an official line: “No one intended this to happen, no one wanted this to happen, no one chose to make it happen, no one is responsible for it happening, it just kinda happened and we’re all very cross but I’m sure we all agree it’s time to move on.”
Nick Robinson@bbcnickrobinson
There is a far simpler explanation for the appointment of Mandelson. The Foreign Office knew the Prime Minister wanted it to happen despite concerns raised directly with him about Epstein & business links with China and Russia so they delivered what the boss wanted.
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🚨 BREAKING: Starmer left trapped inside No. 10 for several hours after no one told him he needs to open the door to leave.
"It's staggering. No one told me the operating procedure for the front door. Unforgivable. I've lost confidence in my team and they will have to resign".
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They all knew he is a crook. They all knew about Epstein. They all knew.
But he was one of them, so they promoted him, socialised with him, protected him.
And now they’re pretending they knew nothing. You knew, I knew, everyone knew. So did they.
Utterly corrupt. All of them.
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Our entire political-media establishment is frantically trying to find ways of pretending that *every single one of them* somehow didn’t know what millions of ordinary people knew full well: that Mandelson is a crook.
As if any of this official cobblers mattered. They all knew.
Alex Wickham@alexwickham
BREAKING: Sources say Olly Robbins felt bound by the rules of the security vetting process NOT to tell the PM, No10 or the foreign secretary about the concerns raised about Mandelson That means it appears No10 WERE in fact unaware he had issues with his vetting And sources say in fact Mandelson DID NOT simply fail his vetting. Instead issues were raised and the FCDO security team and ultimately Robbins had to make a decision on whether to grant him DV clearance. It was their decision and there was no “overturning,” sources say As @SamCoatesSky reports via former security official Ciaran Martin, Robbins was prohibited from sharing information about what happened with anyone outside the FCDO security team Sources say the point of the vetting process is that it is extremely invasive and people who go through it must be confident they can tell the whole truth and not have highly embarrassing information about their personal lives leak or be spread around colleagues That means the circle of people allowed to know about what happens in each vetting case is very small and the information is highly privileged The decision on whether to approve Mandelson’s clearance, according to the vetting rules, is taken by a small team of FCDO security officials and ultimately Robbins, sources say Under no circumstance is Robbins or that team able to share the details of the vetting case with No10 or anyone else, sources say. Robbins felt he could not share it with any minister or private office, sources say It appears the PM and No10 were unaware of how these rules were perceived by Robbins and FCDO, and think he should have told them. Allies of Robbins think it is unfair he was sacked But crucially it appears right now that Robbins did not tell No10 and they were actually in the dark about all this until Tuesday. What an unbelievable mess
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@karl_fh He's never needed to be a good liar, because for the first decade of his political career, he had an establishment media entirely willing to amplify those lies and refuse to challenge them. Many are *still* propping up his political corpse. Ultimately, he's their guy.
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I’ve said this before, but a remarkable thing about Starmer is that, despite being the most prolific liar in British political history, he is a terrible liar.
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Just pointing out that I broke the story 7 months ago that Mandelson failed vetting from the security services and put it to Downing Street...so the idea that Downing Street only found out on Tuesday is complete nonsense.
independent.co.uk/news/uk/politi…
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It’s become a kind of installation art now, entitled:
“A Liar, Lying”
BBC Breaking News@BBCBreaking
"That I wasn't told that Peter Mandelson had failed security vetting when he was appointed is staggering," UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer says Follow live: bbc.in/4esAIHE
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Jack the Ripper: “He is many things but Harold Shipman is not a murderer.”
Tom Watson@tom_watson
He is many things but Keir Starmer is not a liar.
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Stalin releases a statement: “He is many things but Adolf Hitler is not a brutal dictator.”
Tom Watson@tom_watson
He is many things but Keir Starmer is not a liar.
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Tony Soprano speaks : “He is many things but Al Capone is not a crook”
Tom Watson@tom_watson
He is many things but Keir Starmer is not a liar.
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There’s just this massive rush of senior Blairite ministers, desperately shouting into any microphone “I don’t know anything! I’m just a very important minister! Nobody tells me anything! I never ask anything either! I’m accountable for *nothing*!”
And they think this is good.
Pippa Crerar@PippaCrerar
NEW: Yvette Cooper and her office only became aware that Peter Mandelson had failed security vetting when approached by the Guardian on Thursday, I’m told. The foreign secretary then spent evening in FCDO and Downing Street with the PM where she spoke to Sir Olly Robbins. They concluded he could no longer continue in post. It means that Cooper, Lammy, McSweeney, Mandelson and the PM himself all now saying they had no clue.
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Is there a psychological term for individuals who can’t differentiate between their own personal (minority) view and the different views of others (the great majority)?
I feel there should be.
Shirley bottomley@bottomley50
The Country DOES trust Keir Starmer.I couldn't see you or any other leader of a party in this Country who could do the job he does.
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That moment when someone known for his own rampant dishonesty, insists that someone else known for his rampant dishonesty is, in fact, honest! Truly, we are through the looking glass here.
Tom Watson@tom_watson
He is many things but Keir Starmer is not a liar.
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Hard to know what to believe in relation to the Mandelson revelations tonight.
But one aspect being ignored is that Starmer must not have asked to personally see the results of the Developed Vetting that Mandelson is said to have failed - SIX MONTHS after the scandal first broke.
To repeat: if Starmer is genuinely just finding out now, it means he had never, not once, asked to see the actual vetting report himself, about a scandal bringing down his government - for SIX MONTHS.
He's been repeatedly blindsided, on his version, about information he could have asked for and seen at any time. Information most people would want to see, even out of sheer self-preservation, to make sure no more skeletons were due to come out.
Is he simply the most incurious person in the world? How was he ever DPP?
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@AllyFogg @flying_rodent Did he blame the antisemitic Putin-peacenik-Tankies in the Foreign Office for their deliberate sabotage of the most socialist government in world history?
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@flying_rodent I consulted a highly esteemed expert on British politics about this, a chap by the name of Paul Mason, he says that because the vetting process is independent of politics they’re not allowed to tell the Prime Minister, or something like that, probably.
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So in the middle of the most dire, humiliating crisis for this government, under intense media scrutiny, nobody - not one person - asked to see the files on Peter’s approval process? Nobody thought that was worth reviewing, even just to cross the t’s and dot the lower case j’s.
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DisappointedIdealist retweetledi
Keir Starmer is a lawyer and is trained to speak carefully. He also knows that lying to parliament is a resigning offence.
When Starmer insisted to journalists that Peter Mandelson successfully obtained security clearance for his appointment, this was a false statement, but one without legal consequences.
When addressing the same topic in parliament, Starmer was careful to avoid repeating this falsehood, instead stating only that Mandelson had been thoroughly vetted.
Ministers and officials addressing parliament were also careful to avoid stating that Mandelson had been cleared by the security services prior to his appointment.
Like Starmer, they formulated their statements in a way that led parliament to believe he had been cleared by the security services without explicitly claiming that this had happened.
Starmer and his minions knew exactly what they were doing. They formulated their statements as they did because they were fully aware of the relevant facts and did not want to get caught lying to parliament.
They are guilty as sin.
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@ZackPolanski I noticed last night the BBC’s News at Ten offered a response to this story from the Tories, Reform, LibDems and SNP. But not the Greens. The establishment are desperately trying to pretend that hope and change don’t even exist!
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The ethics and morality are it are an important question.
Just as vital and urgent is the fact it's all such a distraction.
We have sky high bills and an energy crisis - we need to end Rip Off Britain. All attention needs to be on a Government capable of doing the basics.
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There's no way today should end without Starmers resignation.
Any other outcome would an absurd scenario where this Labour Government - and all in it - would be laughing in our faces.
Jessica Elgot@jessicaelgot
Extraordinary that we apparently live in a world where the prime minister just isn't told that his pick for US ambassador had failed security vetting
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We could literally see live video of Starmer stamping a puppy to death on the street, and the court stenographers would still be: “Relief that there’s no smoking gun”; “Questions to answer for puppy owner”; “Starmer didn’t know what was under his foot: confirmed”.
Paul Brand@PaulBrandITV
Starmer will be relieved that the vibe among Labour MPs tonight seems to be that they believe the PM and blame the civil service. Both Chris Curtis and Barry Gardiner on @BBCNewsnight angrier with Foreign Office than Starmer, suggesting Olly Robbins should be the one to resign.
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