@KianLFC03 @2Sides_1Story And in the table do you see anyone "of his generation", apart from Schumacher, ahead of Halkinen?
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If you go for a gap that does not exist, you are a stupid driver
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@2Sides_1Story @FormulAnalyst Not talking about vibes though. We’re talking about the eye test which more than has its place alongside stats. Hakkinen was easily second fastest of his generation. There’s only 7 ahead of him that I would say are faster or at least equal
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Hakkinen is the only driver Schumacher feared. He is most definitely not 24th and behind some of those guys. How about, instead of cross comparing, just enjoy each era. It’ll be far more fun that way
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🏆 Fastest drivers ever using Cross Comparisons (since the last time I posted this I did some important changes to my model and added Senna and Prost) 1. Max Verstappen 🇳🇱 2. Ayrton Senna 🇧🇷 3. Lando Norris 🇬🇧 4. Charles Leclerc 🇲🇨 5. Michael Schumacher 🇩🇪
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@MsHonesty81 Norris is probably my 3rd least favourite driver on the current grid...
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@FormulAnalyst Load of crap, what stats can I take hmmm and use to make my favourite drivers come out on top. Stats say Lewis is the F1 GOAT actual real facts not I used x y z to try and create some narrative just to try and elevate a certain driver get out of here.
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🏆 Fastest drivers ever using Cross Comparisons
(since the last time I posted this I did some important changes to my model and added Senna and Prost)
1. Max Verstappen 🇳🇱
2. Ayrton Senna 🇧🇷
3. Lando Norris 🇬🇧
4. Charles Leclerc 🇲🇨
5. Michael Schumacher 🇩🇪
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@ansardem @FormulaPace 3 and 41 is where I draw the line unfortunately
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@FormulAnalyst @FormulaPace Alonso was 40 in 2021 and was out of the sport for 2 years
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Apart from this being obviously atrocious, the worst part I’ve noticed is that Bottas and Button have somehow ended up faster than Rosberg 🤣🤣
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🏆 Fastest drivers ever using Cross Comparisons (since the last time I posted this I did some important changes to my model and added Senna and Prost) 1. Max Verstappen 🇳🇱 2. Ayrton Senna 🇧🇷 3. Lando Norris 🇬🇧 4. Charles Leclerc 🇲🇨 5. Michael Schumacher 🇩🇪
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@FormulaPace @FormulAnalyst and delta data are the most egregious data people in the history of this sport. Their accounts need to be banned for posting so much bullshit
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@ansardem @FormulaPace Yeah actually that's true thank you, will change that
Average excl. Australia and Monaco: Webber 0.138% faster
Median: Webber 0.335% faster
So I'll use Webber 0.2367% faster than Rosberg
Regarding Schumacher, yes I can, he's the only driver to comeback at 41 after 3 years out
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@FormulAnalyst @FormulaPace You can’t exclude schumachers underperformance and keep Verstappen, Hamilton, Alonso etc - that’s not a consistent approach. Rosberg Webber 2006 was -0.14% in favour of Webber once you remove the massive outliers in Aus/Mon and he was even towards the end of the season
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@FormulAnalyst You can make love to ur stats and numbers all you like anyone with eyes knows that this is absolutely stinking. What an absolute stinker of a post
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@vetvidivici @vertusity @yellowProst @FormulaPace If you already know what's stupid and what's not why do you even need data?
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@vertusity @yellowProst @FormulaPace trying to bring a fully objective approach to such a subjective topic will always produce stupid results
the data is objective, but in order for it to have any use it needs to go through a process of interpretation that will always be subjective to an extent
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@vertusity @FormulaPace @vetvidivici Or maybe common sense and perpection of reality are structurally flawed, especially in a sport that depends on the car
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@FormulaPace @vetvidivici Why should numbers agree with what you think is common sense? The point of statistics is to provide objectivity in the face of subjective measures like common sense and perception of reality. If the numbers, untampered with, seem absurd, then maybe cross comps are doodoo.
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@vetvidivici Read the tweet again "Fastest drivers ever USING CROSS COMPARISONS"
My top 5 greatest drivers of all time is
1. Michael Schumacher 🇩🇪
2. Max Verstappen 🇳🇱
3. Ayrton Senna 🇧🇷
4. Lewis Hamilton 🇬🇧
5. Fernando Alonso 🇪🇸
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stats fc confirms lando norris is the 3rd greatest driver of all time just ahead of schumacher
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🏆 Fastest drivers ever using Cross Comparisons (since the last time I posted this I did some important changes to my model and added Senna and Prost) 1. Max Verstappen 🇳🇱 2. Ayrton Senna 🇧🇷 3. Lando Norris 🇬🇧 4. Charles Leclerc 🇲🇨 5. Michael Schumacher 🇩🇪
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@salvaterra_rui What do you think the gap between Bottas and Perez is?
Because if it was 0.451% in 2021 and you believe the cars were equal, than you must believe Bottas as a driver was 0.451% faster
Which isn't true at all, and I'm being your friend by including rookie Stroll vs Massa here
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@FormulAnalyst Hamilton was benchmarked against champions and race winners.
Max is often benchmarked against Red Bull’s second-seat problem.
Treating those datasets as equal is not analysis.
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@salvaterra_rui I will represent Schumacher pre-2000 in the future, probably by adding Barrichello as a reference driver, as that will allow me to make a bridge between the 1990s and the 2010s without having to use such an unrepresentative comparison like Schumacher vs Rosberg
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@FormulAnalyst 2/4 Schumacher gets capped:
Schumacher → Rosberg → Hamilton is removed.
Prime Schumacher pre-2000 is underrepresented.
So he loses both his clean modern bridge and much of his peak. The result is a model where Schumacher cannot climb too high.
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@salvaterra_rui I use every single comparison that takes a maximum of 2 drivers as intermediaries
So no, to compare Verstappen with Vettel I don't choose Verstappen -> Ricciardo -> Vettel
I use every link instead
VER -> Sainz -> Leclerc -> Vettel
VER -> Perez -> Stroll -> Vettel
Yuki -> Ric ..
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@FormulAnalyst 1/4 He builds the ranking by choosing routes:
Vettel → Ricciardo → Verstappen
Alonso → Hamilton → Leclerc
Alonso → Räikkönen → Vettel → Leclerc
The model is not just data. The route choice gives Verstappen-era links maximum leverage.
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@salvaterra_rui The only "inconvenient link" getting removed was Schumacher vs Rosberg, because otherwise Schumacher would be 15th in this list and that simply doesn't make sense + there's a valid reason that explains it
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@FormulAnalyst The issue isn’t Perez vs Bottas.
The issue is that Perez is treated as a clean measuring stick when it helps Max, while inconvenient links get removed or contextualised.
That’s not neutral analysis.
That’s context management with a spreadsheet.
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@formulaleonog7 I have it like this
2010: Alonso 0.416% faster than Massa
2011: Alonso 0.442% faster than Massa
2012: Alonso 0.361% faster than Massa
2013: Alonso 0.081% faster than Massa
Overall: Alonso 0.334% faster than Massa
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@FormulAnalyst Can you tell me what are the qualy gaps from 2010 to 2013 of Alonso/Massa?
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@formulaleonog7 Alonso vs Massa is spot on
Alonso vs Stroll doesn't deviate that much
Raikkonen vs Massa is pretty much spot on (0.075% vs 0.111%)
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@formulaleonog7 Because most of them you don't have the actual gap to compare to, because the drivers were never teammates and you refuse to believe that's it
Hamilton vs Button doesn't deviate that much
Verstappen vs Perez doesn't deviate that much
Even Vettel/Alonso vs Raikkonen
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@formulaleonog7 ...you get the actual gap between Hamilton and Alonso in McLaren
While some of them deviate a lot from the true gap
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@formulaleonog7 I actually don't, and the more comparissons you have the more representative it gets
Take this example: Hamilton vs Alonso
You can connect Hamilton and Alonso trough drivers like Button, Kovalainen, Fisichella, Trulli, Bottas and Massa
Average them out and you get the actual..
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@formulaleonog7 2021: Leclerc 0.066% faster than Sainz
2022: Leclerc 0.128% faster than Sainz
2023: Leclerc 0.111% faster than Sainz
2024: Leclerc 0.010% faster than Sainz
Overall: Leclerc 0.079% faster than Sainz
I don't know how you got the double of this gap
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@FormulAnalyst Well i think it's a bit more than that like between 0.125/0.150 and not 0.080
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