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@Chris_arnade Your biggest problem is,you walked...if you didnt walked maybe you would see how good public transport is,how you can get to some village in Germany with public transport ,no need to walk or for car

This is another example of why walking across an entire city, or a region passing through cities, gives you a better understanding of a place. When you walk across Milan, or from Dusseldorf to Bonn, you see that Europe isn't nearly as economically wealthy as the US. If you stick to tourist centers -- London, Paris, Milan -- you only see the wealthiest, and not the often dreary suburban apartment block bleah where most people live

@227gaming ok da formuliram drugacije,predstavljas mi ga kao "itekako" rjesenje...Bajs predstavljati kao "itekako" rjesenje za promet u gradu od milion stanovnika je smjesno i uvreda stanovnicima...kazem ,nema razlike izmedu tebe i onih koji pljuju po Bajsu,takvi kao vi kocite napredak ZG-a

@Renton911 Ništa ja tebi ne prodajem. Imaš pravo na svoje mišljenje. Ne slažemo se. I to je ok

Trenutno najbolja priča mi je zagrebački Bajs. Sralo se o cijeni, iako ukupna cijena nikada nije samo cijena bicikla, al ok. Pričalo se kako se isti neće koristiti. A sada kada se koriste im smeta što se koriste i što ih ima previše na jednom mjestu. Za ne povjerovati

@227gaming Super kaj je Bajs tu ,i bilo je i vrijeme da Zagreb dobije tak nes ...ali nemoj me vrijeđati kada mi ga prodajes kao rješenje za problem prometa u Zagrebu ...Bajs neće riješiti ništa po tom pitanju

@Renton911 Naravno da je dio rješenja. Što misliš zašto broj bicikala raste u svim velikim gradovima - jer je pogodan za grad. A gdje smo mi još od parkirališta za bicikle, ili sefova. On je tu da bude nadopuna i dolazak proljeća nam je pokazao kako je to nadopuna koja ipak nešto vrijedi.

@227gaming Nema nade za Zagreb ...sa jedne strane imamo ljude koji ne žele priznati da je Bajs super stvar,jer dolazi iz njima ne poželjne političke opcije ,sa druge tipove poput tebe koji nam ga predstavljaju kao "itekako" rješenje...između tebe i njih nema razlike

@227gaming Nisam ja rekao da nije dio rješenja ,ali ga predstavljati kao "itekako" dio rješenja je pogrešno i krivo ...nije dio rješenja niti 1%...i zato opet ponavljam,super je kaj je tu,ali ga predstavljati kao riješenje je naivno i pogrešno

@227gaming Auto je komoditet samo zato što je i dalje najbolja opcija u Zagrebu .mojoj majci kada ide na pregled na rebro Bajs nije opcija ,nego taksi ili jako loš javni prijevoz .tako da ponavljam ,Bajs je super ,i treba tak nes,ali ga predstavljati kao "itekako" dio rješenja,je smiješno..

@Renton911 Za to treba još bolji i pouzdaniji javni prijevoz, za to treba kompletno bolja infrastruktura. Ali čak i ako sve to napraviš, ako osoba opet sjedne u auto nisi ništa postigao. A kod nas će ljudi sjest u auto. Auto je komoditet u odnosu na ostale opcije, al onda živi s tom gužvom.

@227gaming Kažeš "itekako" ...ta sama riječ znači da je nešto u velikom volumenu korisni ...za pomjeriti 100k ljudi sa točke A do točke B ,treba 100k bajsova ..to nije "itekako" riješenje ,to je jedna mala korisna alternativa ,i super da postoji ,ali "itekako" je malo prevelika riječ

@Renton911 Mnogo toga se može s biciklima, mnogi gradovi u europi su primjer toga. Ovaj grad ima ulice za 100k stanovnika, a sada ih je bliže milijun. Za ispraviti to treba jako jako puno (veoma skupog) posla. Nisu solucija, ali itekako mogu biti dio solucije.

@DellAnnaLuca when money is limited ,than is even more importan to invest it to something that will bring ravenue back and value for as much cities and people as possible...so yeah i belive its good use of money

@Renton911 But those are considerations one does when money is limited! They ask, is buying a car the best use of our money?

“We’re making rail the faster way to travel across Europe” Ever heard of planes? Not only does shortening Rome to Paris from 10h50 to 8h45 make little impact when there’s a 2h plane. And not only are there larger wastes of time in my life the EU is better positioned to solve and at a cheaper price. But also: how much longer will we have to work to finance this?

@DellAnnaLuca Zaragoza recently surpass Seville to become Spain's fourth-largest city,something was unimaginable ,before high speed rail...and there is other cities as examples around Europe...

@Renton911 If instead the point is to connect cities that aren’t currently connected, then let’s spend on that, instead of making existing connections marginally faster.

@DellAnnaLuca MAD-BAR line bring growth on all economic areas,but what is more important ,not just to Madrid and Barcelona ,but to certain cities between,for example Zaragoza ,that had transform from "depressed city" in the 1990s into the major economic and logistics hub it has become

@DellAnnaLuca For moving people from point A to point B,cities build metros,tram systems and so on...EU wants to build high speed network...answer on second is dont see better way to achive a goal of moving as many people from point A to point B (including as many cities as possible)

@Renton911 Useful for what, exactly? And once you answer that, are there better ways to achieve those goals than this project?

@DellAnnaLuca beacues its very useful infrastructure ...and thats one of the rear things when tax payer money should be used...thats main reason why we pay tax ...and im not defending EU here,those bureaucrats...im just trying to give my point why high speed rail makes sense

@Renton911 Also: if so many people will use it and it’s going to be so profitable why should taxpayers foot the bill?

@DellAnnaLuca "If the idea is to reduce the amount of time people spend unproductively..." yep,you right,thats why they are building high speed rail...

@Renton911 How is what I said not an argument? You may disagree with it, but it’s an argument.

@DellAnnaLuca opened in 2008,today 30+ trains a day,5,5 million passengers a year. Ryan air and Vueling reduced from 50 to 10 flights a day.not mentioning what it ment for Zaragoza and other cities on line.But yeah keep with "why built high speed rail?"

@DellAnnaLuca But there is no full high speed rail(train and rail are not the same) between Milan and Paris ,when finished in 2033 will reduce travel time from 7 to 4 hours. and you will have so many more trains per day.just chek what happpend between Madrid and Barcelona

@DellAnnaLuca Yeah...i tought might be you would not give me any argument ....

@Renton911 If the idea is to reduce the amount of time people spend unproductively (where by “productively” I do not mean just work but also family time and free time), a lower-hanging fruit would be to reduce bureaucracy, wasteful spending, etc.

@DellAnnaLuca Why not ? give me argument for your claim

@Renton911 My point is that, while beneficial, that project is not the best use of all that money. That’s my point.

@DellAnnaLuca "Not only does shortening Rome to Paris from 10h50 to 8h45 make little impact when there’s a 2h plane. And not only are there larger wastes of time in my life the EU is better positioned to solve and at a cheaper price." your post

@Renton911 I never said that. I’m saying that long-range travelers tend to prefer the plane, and that’s unlikely to change with marginal improvements in long-range total time. Which doesn’t invalidate your point but is a separate one!