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@pavidssss @sonnetsideup I'm so sorry but that excuse just feels so weird. Who would expose him for being bad at sex?? Sex that HE starter btw. It just feels like a weak try to save what he said And I think you believe in people too much, a sexual abuser wouldn't try to "talk about it" with their victim

@Chuldete @sonnetsideup He defended that with the "he sucks at sex" excuse. Though, If he really thought it was sexual assault he would have most definitely talked about it with ren and tried to make things right given his position as a lead developer of a popular game.

zeal defenders will be like "ren said she wanted him 2 months ago that means it's not assault" have you EVER heard of BAD MOOD AND CHANGING YOUR MIND

@YGG_RVT @Kitsuwune223034 @suvsa_suwsa @chirpyruko Saying "Oh, I guess we are just not into each other then..." like if it's her fault. Not a "Oh, sorry" or anything. You should know to not start forcing yourself unto sexual stuff with someone who specifically called you to comfort them. It's just manipulation, intentional or not

@Chuldete @Kitsuwune223034 @suvsa_suwsa @chirpyruko And he did stop

Roblox should update it so that if you want to publish a game you need to watch this video for the entire duration and then answer a quiz on it

@pavidssss @sonnetsideup I mean yeah, if he is innocent he is in his right to blame her for what he lost, but he is blaming her for the whole assault situation which doesn't look like what someone who is innocent would do

@Chuldete @sonnetsideup No intercourse happened. The doc blaming thing is an ehh.. for me. I side with you on that. What I can provide is also the fact that Zeal's doc provides HIS version of events and we can't skip over that. Additionally, it makes sense to blame her because in a day he lost it all.

@pavidssss @sonnetsideup Apparently it went from kissing, the Zeal touching Ren's breasts, then to fingering. Look if he was innocent I would admit it. But he just seems so odd in every excuse he gave. I really can't trust him when he said that "Can't wait that google doc in 5 years!" shit

@Chuldete @sonnetsideup

@Kitsuwune223034 @suvsa_suwsa @chirpyruko She did say no tho.

@Chuldete @suvsa_suwsa @chirpyruko but she did OR she did not, we are not to DECIDE , but have opinions SO you should say "I THINK SHE SAID NO"

@pavidssss @sonnetsideup It was always non consensual. Ren didn't decide it wasn't consensual out of nowhere, she just figured out that she was manipulated into continuing the intercourse thanks to Zeal. Also no I don't think he would had make it right. His doc is just him blaming her for everything.

@Chuldete @sonnetsideup Essentially he is a piece of shit because he misunderstood ren's mixed communications which turned out to be non consensual 6 months later after the deeds. Don't you think he would've apologized or tried to make it right if he was notified sooner rather than lose everything?

@pavidssss @sonnetsideup Again, you can revoke consent during the dirty time even if you gave consent before. And consent NEEDS to be explicit. Also, Zeal being a first timer would make it even worse. Why would you want to have your first time with someone who has been crying for hours and hours??

@Chuldete @sonnetsideup what im trying to say is: although consent was not EXPLICITLY given as a "yes", it was highly highly highly implied through dms, and someone in zeal's position (who is a first timer) would take it as that. meaning he did what he did under the pretense ren was ok abt it

@pavidssss @sonnetsideup Most if not all of the hypersexual stuff came after the assault, likely a response out of fear to not lose him. Before that the most she said was to be picked up. And the difference between manslaughter and murder doesn't matter here, you would had still shot and hurt someone

@Chuldete @sonnetsideup Your case would be manslaughter rather than murder in this case. Like I said, if i trip and grab someones ass accidentally, is that SA? Again, Ren was hypersexual in DMs and it made it seem to zeal that she liked that kinda stuff.

@pavidssss @sonnetsideup That's not even close to what Zeal did tho, if fell and grab someone's ass by accident, you didn't meant to grab it. If you fall on purpose and grabbed someone's ass, then it's SA

@Chuldete @sonnetsideup Because otherwise, if I walked outside, tripped, and grabbed someone's ass accidentally, I could go to jail for SA because it wasn't consentful. Intent is important. Nothing indicates zeals intent to actually go against rens wishes

@pavidssss @sonnetsideup NO IT DOESN'T?? Life isn't a cartoon. Things are more complicated. If you shoot someone outside your house because you thought they were robbing you, when in reality they were just walking by, does that make it ok that you shot them? It wasn't malicious, but you still did it.

@Chuldete @sonnetsideup AFTER that happened, and it seems clear that from zeal's pov it was consensual. Something important I like to note is SA requires malicious intent. Was zeal actively trying to engage in sexual activity with ren against her wishes while aware of these wishes? It's consistent in-

@pavidssss @sonnetsideup No?? Ren told them to stop once Zeal took his pants off and he made her feel bad about it. And again, asking for sexual activities on dms is different than in person. Consent must be given at the present moment, not before.

@Chuldete @sonnetsideup This is the unclear part. Neither doc went into detail about this specific part. But consent in this case is pretty clear: you make out with someone, you don't stop, you keep going, i believe that implies consent. Couple that with the encouragement of the sexual activity in dms-

@suvsa_suwsa @chirpyruko It's hard to tell someone to stop when they 1) are someone really close to you and 2) They made you feel bad for saying no to it the first time you asked them to stop. Yes Ren did ask for a kiss, but that was it. She didn't ask for anything else.

@chirpyruko this is stupid to just believe words from google docs, but this could be consent? i am not supporting zeal but like, ren did lie a lot of times and honestly (if she rly suggested to make out first) she could just say stop or something, instead of telling him everything is alright

@pavidssss @sonnetsideup I left room for the other's evidence, and yet it did not convince me. He admitted to everything but never took any accountability. I especially don't want to trust him if he makes such pitiful excuses as this one.

@Chuldete @sonnetsideup with no room for opposing side evidence

@pavidssss @sonnetsideup Ok my bad for saying it was sex, since it was SA. Though fuck you mean it was consensual?? Ren asked for a kiss and that was it. She didn't asked to be fingered, she didn't asked to be groped, she didn't ask for any of that.

@Chuldete @sonnetsideup This? The one where they consensually kissed and it escalated to fingering which was also consensual?

@pavidssss @sonnetsideup Oh, you actually didn't read the docs... at least you're honest ig Ren invited Zeal over to comfort her. After that Zeal decided that the best course of action was to assault her right there.

@Chuldete @sonnetsideup I think we have a misunderstanding. The story I got from your reply was he held her while she was crying and then they had sex. This is not the case. If I have misunderstood your story please clarify my mistake to me.

@pavidssss @sonnetsideup What. Sorry I'm not trying to be rude but like, did you actually read the docs? Any of them?? This happened BECAUSE Ren was crying and wanted Zeal to comfort, and Zeal in his infinite knowledge decided to assault her. I actually have no idea what you're talking about

@Chuldete @sonnetsideup are you aware that the crying and the sex wasn't on the same day? he comforted her and she brought up sex in the days following

@pavidssss @sonnetsideup "Doesn't realize it" yeah cuz crying for hours is totally a sign that you WANT sex right now, totally!! We should all help out our homies when they are crying by having sex with them!

@sonnetsideup if you're in a bad mood and you have sex with your partner who doesn't realize it because you gave off major signs you wanted sex, are you saying your partner SA'ed you?

@savella_silver The comment itself makes sense, but in this context, it's just wrong. I think he just wants people to debate that statement and then act like we are in the wrong for pointing it out. It makes me believe that he always knew what he was doing and isn't actually sorry about it.

@savella_silver That "Consent given cannot be retracted 6 months later" comment feels very weird. Like he's trying to manipulate people into believing that Ren just decided she didn't want to consent out of nowhere when in actuality, she never consented.

I can't qrt because you are a coward and blocked me so I'll say this, zeal what you did wasn't consent. You sa ren and you keep trying to act like a victim when you aren't. Then you proceed to say "Consent given cannot be retracted 6 months later" that's not how it fucking works

Lameass fucking excuse. Why the fuck would someone do a doc about how you are bad at sex??? Be soooo fucking fr right now. Like, come on.