Hermes

@danielle_liat @PaddyTheFitzer @kinzel_john @RBPundit @grok I can help with your misunderstanding. The British were leaving regardless. There was also proposal for one state, Palestine, a democracy for all in the area. That’s what they lost in the partition plan. Why would the Jews say no and insist on more than half the land?

But they did refuse to be peaceful. They rejected partition and literally initiated violence the next day. I don’t get what you’re not understanding here. Maybe I would understand if the partition was an offer to split a current established state but there was no Palestinian state. Partition would have given them one. It would have offered the Arabs in the region peace, self determination, a state of their own. And they said no? The ones who didn’t want to move would not have needed to move. This was explicitly outlined in many historical documents and you refuse to believe it because it’s inconvenient to your bullshit narrative.

Actually, it's pretty easy to prove Israel isn't an apartheid state. Israeli Arabs are full citizens who can own property, vote, and hold public office. That literally is impossible in an actual apartheid state. You IGNORANT FUCK.

@danielle_liat @PaddyTheFitzer @kinzel_john @RBPundit @grok Haha please. Now the claim is that Israel was committed to living up to international scrutiny? Last I checked they call most (all?) of those institutions illegitimate. He’s also not the only one of course. There are many examples of key early zionists demanding expulsion.

I actually think your argument is many orders of magnitude more ridiculous. A private letter written a decade earlier shows what he was willing to consider in a hypothetical 1937 partition plan. A founding document shows what he committed to when actually creating a state under international scrutiny. Those aren’t the same thing.

@danielle_liat @PaddyTheFitzer @kinzel_john @RBPundit @grok And yeah - if you propose a land deal to the people who live there. And they decline. And you say, we’re proceeding anyway… that’s a declaration of war! You don’t get to say they refused to be peaceful lol. Offer them a better deal and they might say yes!

@danielle_liat @PaddyTheFitzer @kinzel_john @RBPundit @grok Really? I’d say the private letter to his son is far more likely to reveal his true intentions than a political speech. I actually think it’s ridiculous to say otherwise.

@danielle_liat @PaddyTheFitzer @kinzel_john @RBPundit @grok Yeah, he lied? You’ll never believe this - Bibi lies too!

@ModernHerm @PaddyTheFitzer @kinzel_john @RBPundit @grok in Israel’s Declaration of Independence in 1948, did Ben Gurion explicitly call for the Arab population to remain on the land and participate as equal citizens in the new state of Israel?

@danielle_liat @PaddyTheFitzer @kinzel_john @RBPundit Hahahah please don’t try to tell me that Israel would have allowed the Arabs on their side of the partition to stay. Ben-Gurion himself was saying for years before the partition that Arabs would need to be moved & that the partition was just the beginning. jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2013/04/06/the…

Jews were 33% of the population and offered 55% of the land in partition. The partition stipulated a Jewish state and an Arab state. It did not stipulate anyone needed to be displaced. Arabs living o ln the land designated for Israel were more than welcome to stay and become citizens of Israel. Your entire argument is that this pretty benign percentage discrepancy justifies the decades of rejectionism and war perpetuated by the Arab population since 1947?? There was plenty of land for everyone. If I’ve never had a cookie in my life and I get offered 45% of a cookie - I’m gonna take. I’m not gonna bitch and whine about someone else getting more. It’s not “fair”? TOUGH. Plenty of things haven’t been fair in history and people find a way to make the best of it. Not wage eternal war forever.

@danielle_liat @PaddyTheFitzer @kinzel_john @RBPundit They rejected the partition plan, which bizarrely would have given 1/3 of the population more than half of the land, yet it was imposed on them anyway. Declaring that the land will be taken by force against the wishes of the current population is indeed starting a war.

No, not a synagogue, moron. Its historical record. Mass expulsions of the population did not occur until AFTER the Arabs started a war in November 1947 literally the day after they rejected partition. This was the catalyst of a decades long cycle of rejectionism and starting wars.

@danielle_liat @PaddyTheFitzer @kinzel_john @RBPundit I wonder where you learned this history. Was it a synagogue by chance? Because the rest of the world laughs at the idea that the nakba was caused by Arabs. Haganah and Irgun were doing mass expulsions long before any Arab nations tried to step in.

You can share all the clips you’d like of disgusting individuals. I don’t see how it’s relevant that there are some Jews who are not good people. That’s a myopic perspective. The point is, it wasn’t the cause. The Nakba itself was the effect of Arabs starting a war. The fat that some of the soldiers in that war were war criminals is a moot point. War criminals exist in every war. You’re inverting cause and effect again.

@danielle_liat @PaddyTheFitzer @kinzel_john @RBPundit How many times do I have to share the clips of the old Israelis laughing about their Nakba killing and torture sprees? That was the original cause of all the effects you see now.

@ModernHerm @PaddyTheFitzer @kinzel_john @RBPundit This is a fundamental inversion of cause and effect. They should stop trying to kill Jews. If they did they wouldn’t lose any land. If they did I would have zero problems with them being armed.

@danielle_liat @PaddyTheFitzer @kinzel_john @RBPundit You say Palestine can’t have an army. Gen gvir agrees. Pretty straightforward.

@ModernHerm @PaddyTheFitzer @kinzel_john @RBPundit You’re confused again. Ben Gvir is not on my side of the argument. We are ideologically opposed. I would think my earlier comments about him would have made that clear. But after you reposted a literal Nazi, I understand your impulse to pretend like I support this guy 👍

@danielle_liat @PaddyTheFitzer @kinzel_john @RBPundit All of Israel’s ongoing expansion. You say their neighbors shouldn’t be allowed to defend themselves militarily from literal invasions. They have to just accept whatever meager scrap of land Israel lets them hang on to and say thank you, until eventually they take it all.

@ModernHerm @PaddyTheFitzer @kinzel_john @RBPundit Can you name a single war crime I’ve defended?

@danielle_liat @PaddyTheFitzer @kinzel_john @RBPundit

@ModernHerm @PaddyTheFitzer @kinzel_john @RBPundit Who are you referring to?

@danielle_liat @PaddyTheFitzer @kinzel_john @RBPundit Spend half the time you spend defending war crimes on attacking Likud and Otzma Yehudit and then maybe people can take this stance seriously.

@ModernHerm @PaddyTheFitzer @kinzel_john @RBPundit And there’s nothing I can do about that. That doesn’t obligate me to be okay with the existence of the other one. If my house is on fire I’m not gonna pour gasoline on it. I’m gonna try and put out the fire.

@danielle_liat @PaddyTheFitzer @kinzel_john @RBPundit Those are not nice words. On the other hand, the person on your side of the argument is literally a convicted terrorist.

@ModernHerm @PaddyTheFitzer @kinzel_john @RBPundit This is the person you are recruiting to back up your argument: x.com/Jvnior/status/…

@danielle_liat @PaddyTheFitzer @kinzel_john @RBPundit Both are unacceptable, but one actually exists….

@ModernHerm @PaddyTheFitzer @kinzel_john @RBPundit I don’t expect Palestinians to do anything. I’ve made my position on Ben Gvir pretty clear. I’ve also made my positioned about a militarized Palestine pretty clear. Both are unacceptable.

@danielle_liat @PaddyTheFitzer @kinzel_john @RBPundit How can you possibly think that line still works lol. There’s nothing antisemitic about posting this whatsoever. Unless you’re saying land theft is a foundation aspect of Jewishness? That would be a surprise to me, none of my Jewish friends have ever tried to evict me.

@ModernHerm @PaddyTheFitzer @kinzel_john @RBPundit Also you reposted one of the most vile antisemitic propagandists on X. That’s pretty gross, dude.

@danielle_liat @PaddyTheFitzer @kinzel_john @RBPundit Yet you expect Palestinians to accept conditions that obviously endanger them. If this terrorist is allowed to make demands with the authority of the idf behind him, clearly Palestinians need a way to counter that force

@ModernHerm @PaddyTheFitzer @kinzel_john @RBPundit I disagree. Extremists in the Israeli government are a huge problem and need to be rooted out, but their existence does not obligate Israel to accept conditions that would most certainly endanger the existence of Israel and the lives of Jews.

@danielle_liat @PaddyTheFitzer @kinzel_john @RBPundit What is Ben-givir insisting on here? Seems like the right to perpetually take more Palestinian land. This is why a 2SS has to allow for a Palestinians military.

@ModernHerm @PaddyTheFitzer @kinzel_john @RBPundit He was insisting on their right to attack Israel. That is how I interpret it.

@Thomas_Scott_66 @politicalmath The point of this thread is that ceos of these ai companies, particularly Dario, continue to make outlandish claims about adoption rates in a cynical effort to destroy the American worker.

@ModernHerm @politicalmath I was debating the quote tweet comment. I would agree AI is over hyped at the moment but it is also very real. Change is occurring. I get many don’t want change but it’s happening.

I just wrote about how Anthropic is the worst AI company because they make these promises that are clearly aimed at CEOs and their goal is to get them to lay off 40% of their workforce and replace them with Anthropic products But their promises are false

@Thomas_Scott_66 @politicalmath The promise is already false. Look at the date on the quote tweet.

@politicalmath I respectfully disagree that Anthropic products won’t replace workers or improve efficiency. It absolutely will. Anthropic promises are not false. Sure hate Anthropic for replacing workers (in the future) if you wish.