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@Hanak_EL @raven_2102 @Beomfloat88 Note, I don’t call myself a Calvinist. I’m just debunking your nonsense that Calvin was a Manichaean. This is what the issue is about. Now you’re just filibustering.

@TrueSchoolSemi @raven_2102 @Beomfloat88 Yes you do because we know the Church never taught the Augustinian view. So you definitely not getting your view from the Fathers. Don't say the scriptures either, because the Church are the Gatekeepers of the interpretation, not you

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@Hanak_EL @JayDyer If you refuse to see this, I can’t make you see it.

@TrueSchoolSemi @JayDyer When I said Christ took on corruption, I was not referring to sin. But that he assumed the whole human reality in order to heal, purify & deify human nature. Crushing is referring to submitting to the ultimate intensity of human suffering & death. Not vindictive punishment

These are the Prots whining about tone. unreal

@Hanak_EL @JayDyer The passage doesn’t say that all. You cannot avoid the fact that God is the agent and cause of the Jesus’s chastisement—in other words, God is the subject that crushes him. There is also the connection between punishment and sin. God is punishing Jesus for sin, not his but ours.

@Hanak_EL @raven_2102 @Beomfloat88 ???

@TrueSchoolSemi @raven_2102 @Beomfloat88 Shakur stevenson beats Tank btw. Because knowing you, you probably think Tank runs boxing 🤣🗑

@Hanak_EL @raven_2102 @Beomfloat88 I don’t base my theology on one guy but nice try. You saying it’s faulty doesn’t make it faulty.

@TrueSchoolSemi @raven_2102 @Beomfloat88 Building your whole theology off of one guy, does not win you debates. Notice how you can't quote any patristic fathers outside of augustine who taught his faulty predestination doctrine

@Hanak_EL @JayDyer 1 Christ takes on human mortality, not corruption. He didn’t have a predilection to sin like we do. 2 God was actively chastising/crushing Jesus. He just didn’t allow him to suffer. There’s a difference.

@TrueSchoolSemi @JayDyer He was stricken because he took onto himself the corrupt nature of humanity. The wounds of sin and death to cleanse it. It's called ontological substitution

@Hanak_EL @raven_2102 @Beomfloat88 Emotional responses don’t help you win arguments my guy.

@TrueSchoolSemi @raven_2102 @Beomfloat88 Y'all conception of God is really garbage. First God wills certain people to damnation, and he wanted to torture his son for a blood debt ? 💀🤣 Western Christianity is super garbage my goodness. I'm so happy I found the orthodox church

@Hanak_EL @JayDyer That doesn’t help you. If thats true, why would the Father strike the Son as a way to correct him? 🤦‍♂️ He corrects the Son because we sinned? What? Lol

@TrueSchoolSemi @JayDyer Take up your complaints with the hebrew language. The striking refers to chastisement or correction. Similar to a loving father, rather than a judge’s legal, retributive punishment

@Hanak_EL @raven_2102 @Beomfloat88 Okay bro lol. You like your choice of ice cream.

@TrueSchoolSemi @raven_2102 @Beomfloat88 The Calvinist view of sovereignty is about control and decree, while the Eastern Orthodox view is about providential guidance and love that works through human freedom. Our paradigm is superior in every way

@Hanak_EL @JayDyer Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the Lord makes[c] his life an offering for sin, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.

@TrueSchoolSemi @JayDyer God never punished Jesus

@Hanak_EL @JayDyer By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken away. Yet who of his generation protested? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was punished.[b]

@Hanak_EL @JayDyer We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

@Hanak_EL @raven_2102 @Beomfloat88 Nah, you just don’t understand God’s sovereignty and his active participation in the affairs of the world. Everything is under his control.

@TrueSchoolSemi @raven_2102 @Beomfloat88 Trying to make distinction between otiose permission & willing, is an artificial attempt to solve a logical puzzle created by rejecting the understanding of essence and energies. It's a false dichotomy used to resolve contradictions inherent in Western determinism

@Hanak_EL @JayDyer That’s not answering because it doesn’t explain why God actively punished Jesus. The wording in Isaiah 53 is so clear. I never asked you how it’s possible Jesus can take on our sins.

@TrueSchoolSemi @JayDyer I want you to explain how I didn't answer the question. If I say only a sinless God-man can suffer for sins because his divinity allowed him to destroy that corruption, how is that not answering. You're already annoying me and I might just have to block you

@Hanak_EL @raven_2102 @Beomfloat88 This does NOT mean however that he caused Judas to sin. There’s a fine difference there.

@TrueSchoolSemi @raven_2102 @Beomfloat88 I'm not straw manning. Notice you didn't even respond to the citation I brought up. You ignored it and tried to run somewhere else in the same text. That's a red herring. Introducing a contradictory statement does not address anything

@Hanak_EL @raven_2102 @Beomfloat88 occur, but actually wills it actively, in the sense that he uses that sin for his purposes. For example, Judas betraying Jesus was not something God allowed and did nothing with it—he willed this to occur in order to advance his purposes.

@Hanak_EL @JayDyer Man, you really suffer from reading comprehension. His choice to suffer is not the issue. It’s God’s ACTIVE CHASTISEMENT of him. We know Jesus suffered chastisement to restore us to God. But why was it necessary for him to suffer punishment from God?

@TrueSchoolSemi @JayDyer I already told you, it was VOLUNTARY. He wanted to do it. He didn't have to. He knew that because he was sinless, his suffering had power over death, allowing him to bear our sins and offer healing through his Resurrection

@Hanak_EL @raven_2102 @Beomfloat88 Okay bro, if your strawman can be used as a pillow to help you sleep, feel free.

@TrueSchoolSemi @raven_2102 @Beomfloat88 It is verbal gymnastics. Calvin tried his best to make all these contractions line up together. But ultimately, under this paradigm, Sovereign is indistinguishable from an evil force