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knwang

@knwang

intention is all you need // building @khalani_network // cofounder @nervosnetwork // dm open

United States Entrou em Haziran 2008
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knwang@knwang·
@robbiepetersen_ If the agentic economy will look more like an org chart than a marketplace, then what needs to be built is more of a top-down control structure as delegation substrate, instead of an open coordination market.
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Robbie Petersen@robbiepetersen_·
@wyatt_benno This feels like a formal verification argument, not necessarily payments which fwiw I generally agree with
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knwang@knwang·
> I think that agentic payments are the killer app state channels never had. 👍👍👍 off-chain replicated state machines with superseding signed state that use blockchain for escrow and settlement. They’ll come for payments, and stay for programmable coordination.
Liam Horne@liamihorne

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knwang@knwang·
Claude code re-discovered Unix, and taught us that powerful coordination doesn’t require rich, bespoke standards, but a small set of simple and universal primitives: - cli powers everything - everthing is a file - every task is pipe-able Simple interfaces win. Unix won. Git won. HTTP won. REST won. But almost all current agent protocols are designed like ESB and CORBA. It gets worse for agentic payment, commerce or transaction standards. They won’t work, not because agents don’t need standards, but because they’re trying to standardize the wrong layer. We keep trying to standardize rich semantics, shared ontologies, negotiation flows, and high-level message schemas. That is exactly where heterogeneity is highest and agreement is hardest. Unix did not win by standardizing meaning. It won by standardizing composition. Don’t standardize what agents think. Standardize how value moves when they agree.
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499@499_DAO·
💡Patrick Young @patkyoung — Head of Growth, Khalani @khalani_network "Agentic payments need bulletproof execution rails." 🤖 • The bottleneck isn’t AI intelligence — it’s coordination, verification, and deterministic settlement. • Without trust-minimized execution, AI is just another API. • Agents need escrowed capital, solver accountability, and protocol-level guarantees. • The real blocker today? Fragmented chains, liquidity, and execution venues. • Autonomous agents require unified intent routing + cross-chain liquidity. The future isn’t on-chain AI. It’s verifiable, economically-enforced execution.
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knwang@knwang·
with our very own @patkyoung !
499@499_DAO

Panel Highlight | How AI Becomes Trust-Minimized at Scale Hosted by @499_DAO × @0G_labs × @hetu_protocol At The Scaling Summit @ ETHDenver, leaders: Michael Dressler @mdressler24 — Head of Success, 0G @0G_labs Patrick Young @patkyoung — Head of Growth, Khalani @khalani_network Michael Berman @mikebermantoo — Co-CEO, Tectonic Labs @tectonicxyz Vinay Kumar — Co-Founder, Flashback Labs @FlashbackLabs Explored what it really takes for AI-native infrastructure to become composable, verifiable, and production-ready. AI doesn’t fail because of model capability. It fails when execution and settlement aren’t trust-minimized. #TheScalingSummit #AIInfrastructure #DeAI #Web3AI #ETHDenver Watch the discussion ↓

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knwang@knwang·
@MylesOneil @0xave execution can be automated, but ground truth must be on-chain
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Myles O'Neil@MylesOneil·
Great piece by @0xave! My 2c below: In a world where execution is cheap and automated, the bottleneck becomes verification. We already see this with coding agents — building is easy, proving that the result actually satisfies requirements is hard. This bottleneck will be most apparent for economic agents, where the cost of failure is highest. If you want an agent to automate financial workflows, you need something stronger than incentives, reputation scores, and post-hoc auditability. Agents are non-deterministic and manipulable, blockchain transactions are irreversible. Mistakes will be made and resolving disputes will be a nightmare. The only way to avoid this bottleneck is through preventative, verifiable rules tied to settlement — transactions that cannot finalize unless they satisfy user-defined constraints. This is the difference between “we can see that the bad thing happened” vs “bad things can’t happen.” If we can automate verification, we remove this bottleneck, and trust can scale with execution. This is the core problem we’re focused on at @deltadotnetwork. If you’re building economic agents, we’d love to chat!
Xave Meegan@0xave

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knwang@knwang·
dangerously skip permissions dangerously skip permissions dangerously skip permissions
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knwang@knwang·
You need an open p2p market where the on/off ramp order settlement conditions are programmable without having to deploy bespoke contracts for each bank / zkTLS vendor, data schema etc AI can help write per vendor/bank zkTLS plumbing and proof generation code but is not the key unlock for generalizing this
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Kyle Samani@KyleSamani·
@sreeramkannan Full generalization for every fiat bank in the world for every currency
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Kyle Samani@KyleSamani·
The specific service I want to see built here Use zkTLS to facilitate *atomic* p2p on/off ramps There are two sides to every on/off ramp. the fiat/banking side, and the crypto side Crypto side is easy. put funds in escrow account on chain Use AI agents + zkTLS to know that fiat side sent the funds. use zkTLS proof to unlock escrowed funds on chain
Kyle Samani@KyleSamani

Manus feels like the first time general purpose agents feel legit Big opportunity for implementing zkTLS on top of Manus

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knwang@knwang·
@8004_scan Agents are just code - they could have identity but how do you ensure the code hasn’t changed? On the agent side, does slight change of code require rebuilding reputation from scratch?
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8004scan@8004_scan·
Reputation is the real currency of the agent economy but only when it’s earned. At 8004scan.io, we gauge agents’ reputations to real interactions and measurable performance, not vibes or vanity metrics.
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knwang@knwang·
@cyntro_py agents can't get API keys. APIs are the not the right primitive, intents are. Intents are APIs with inverse integration semantics: not demand integrating supply, but supply integrating demand.
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stepan@cyntro_py·
Everything, including people, goods, skills, will have an API Every API will have a price tag (x402) And agents will be doing orchestration of APIs
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knwang@knwang·
@alive_eth Love to hear your thoughts on privacy by default vs opt-in privacy zones on an otherwise transparent chain.
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Ali Yahya@alive_eth·
Privacy will be the most important moat in crypto. Why? Because secrets are hard to migrate. Everyone is launching a new "high performance" blockchain lately. But these chains are hardly different from one another. Blockspace is functionally the same everywhere. And with bridges that make moving between chains easy, that blockspace is now accessible *from* everywhere. Mercenary users and capital quickly arriving on a chain to farm an airdrop can leave just as quickly to farm the next one on another chain. The reality is that if your "general purpose" chain doesn't already have a thriving ecosystem, a killer application, or an unfair distribution advantage, there's very little reason for anyone to use it or build on top of it. Performance alone is no longer enough. Privacy is the one feature that everyone agrees is critical for the world’s finance to move onchain. It’s also the one feature that almost every blockchain that exists today completely lacks. For most chains, it has been little more than an afterthought until now. Privacy by itself is sufficiently compelling to differentiate a new chain from all the rest. But it also does something more important: it creates chain lock-in. Bridging tokens is easy, but bridging secrets is hard. As long as everything is public, it's trivial to move from one chain to another, thanks to bridging protocols like LayerZero. But, as soon as you make things private, that is no longer true. There is always a risk when moving in or out of a private zone that people who are watching the chain, mempool, or network traffic will be able to figure out who you are. Crossing the boundary between a private chain and a public one—or even between two private chains—leaks all kinds of metadata like transaction timing and size correlations that makes it easier to track you. Compared to the many undifferentiated new chains whose fees will likely be driven down to zero by competition, blockchains with privacy have a much stronger network effect. When you're on public blockchains, it's easy to transact with users on other chains—it doesn't matter which chain you join. When you're on private blockchains, on the other hand, the chain you choose matters much more because, once you join one, you're less likely to move and risk being exposed. This will create a winner-take-most dynamic. And because privacy is essential for most real-world use cases, a handful of privacy chains will own most of crypto.
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knwang@knwang·
the combination of private, general purpose and high throughput would be extremely compelling
Ali Yahya@alive_eth

Privacy will be the most important moat in crypto. Why? Because secrets are hard to migrate. Everyone is launching a new "high performance" blockchain lately. But these chains are hardly different from one another. Blockspace is functionally the same everywhere. And with bridges that make moving between chains easy, that blockspace is now accessible *from* everywhere. Mercenary users and capital quickly arriving on a chain to farm an airdrop can leave just as quickly to farm the next one on another chain. The reality is that if your "general purpose" chain doesn't already have a thriving ecosystem, a killer application, or an unfair distribution advantage, there's very little reason for anyone to use it or build on top of it. Performance alone is no longer enough. Privacy is the one feature that everyone agrees is critical for the world’s finance to move onchain. It’s also the one feature that almost every blockchain that exists today completely lacks. For most chains, it has been little more than an afterthought until now. Privacy by itself is sufficiently compelling to differentiate a new chain from all the rest. But it also does something more important: it creates chain lock-in. Bridging tokens is easy, but bridging secrets is hard. As long as everything is public, it's trivial to move from one chain to another, thanks to bridging protocols like LayerZero. But, as soon as you make things private, that is no longer true. There is always a risk when moving in or out of a private zone that people who are watching the chain, mempool, or network traffic will be able to figure out who you are. Crossing the boundary between a private chain and a public one—or even between two private chains—leaks all kinds of metadata like transaction timing and size correlations that makes it easier to track you. Compared to the many undifferentiated new chains whose fees will likely be driven down to zero by competition, blockchains with privacy have a much stronger network effect. When you're on public blockchains, it's easy to transact with users on other chains—it doesn't matter which chain you join. When you're on private blockchains, on the other hand, the chain you choose matters much more because, once you join one, you're less likely to move and risk being exposed. This will create a winner-take-most dynamic. And because privacy is essential for most real-world use cases, a handful of privacy chains will own most of crypto.

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Axal@getaxal·
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knwang@knwang·
@0xMasonH not just agentic actions to consume service, but to provide service given working capital; agents write code to glue together existing services
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Mason Hall@0xMasonH·
What is the holy grail agentic demo from a generic chat interface? What is something that's essentially not possible to do without a lot of hand glueing MCPs / not possible at all?
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knwang@knwang·
@luhelminger yeah understand the concern, especially when needing to support multiple tokens. both can be solved with having a UTXO/object function as an account though - like in Sui an object can function as an account
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Lukas Helminger
Lukas Helminger@luhelminger·
@knwang the network might be able to handle the throughput the concerns that I have heard about this approach are: - people prefer account based model - note discovery becomes a issue for client-side performance/ux
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Lukas Helminger@luhelminger·
Cryptography is close to losing the stablecoin privacy race. We’ve spoken to a lot of teams in the stablecoin space over the last weeks, and the pattern is clear. Every single one of them confirmed that privacy is needed. Most interestingly, this demand doesn’t come from a feeling of privacy as a moral obligation but from crisp customer demand. That kind of commercial pull is rare and is what creates this momentum for privacy tech. So far so good, but cryptography based solutions are losing ground right now because of today’s performance limits. Why? Payments are brutal. You’re talking 10k sustained TPS on the low end and up to 250k if things scale. Nobody sees how MPC, FHE, or ZK can handle this today, so they fall back to centralized TEEs. And I get it. They need to ship. From a user perspective, even a centralized TEE is a privacy upgrade compared to the zero privacy blockchains offer today. But long term this is risky. We finally have a chance to go beyond web2 levels of privacy and user sovereignty. If we punt now, the entire direction of the ecosystem could get locked in. The hard truth: there’s no solution out there today that matches the performance they need. And they can’t wait two years for the promised improvements or for specialized hardware to arrive. They need something that works next year, meaning real solutions need to be production ready after Q1 or Q2. Our goal is to give these teams a real choice between TEEs and cryptography. That won’t come from generic encrypted EVMs. The generality tax is too high and the window shaped by real commercial deployments will be closed by the time they reach sufficient performance (if they ever do). It needs dedicated, highly optimized constructions that max out what is mathematically possible.
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