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@alcratz unsurprisingly, making a game that doesn't ask the players to think about what buttons they press in the context of the characters on the screen produces players that aren't used to thinking about moves in the context of the character they are attached to

None of this was a real problem until T8 proved to everyone that the Tekken Project is incapable of balancing anything even remotely interesting or unique. As such, people advocate for homogenizing the game *even more* as a compromise. What else can you do? (Besides quit ofc)

This is the first TEKKEN 8 custom animation. We finally did it...!!

@koenjideck NO WAY this means we can also port t7 moves to t8 right?

Monumental moment for Tekken 8 mods, modding will never be the same again.

@SuperAkouma I stopped commenting on most of anything except posts like this, but look at it as making sure the next game doesn't take from this one ig, couldn't care less about Tekken8 and the future of the franchise if it has anything to inherit from this one

@zen_leaf Yeah but we got enough reminders already lol if you're not playing then move on. A lot of people's whole thing has become hating and trying to get others to quit

I'm not gonna stop complaining but he is right

@kentuckyburgerr new cope is t9 if it ever released will definitely be a better game trust 🙄

Tekken 8 is far gone and its unfixable

@overflowyouknow you'd have to handle how to avoid infinites, I suppose

@overflowyouknow What about the opposite? combos start strict and branch out to a wider range of options (10f->15f) but the scaling suffers from the hits. Stronger buttons make you start from more advanced "position" in the bloom which makes stronger options available sooner and thus less scaled

Is it possible to make a fun fighting game with very little air time and juggles?

@ghirlandatekken you're right except I don't believe pros are unbiased or impartial. The dev portal will be useless at best and a complete shitshow at worst, but "hiring" "pros" with a "decent" salary because they are supposed to be "unbiased" is not a solution and kinda silly

Devs should simply hire few pro that showed objectivity in their behaviour and careers with placements obtained with multiple characters (able to play different play style means a broader vision of the game), give them a tournament ban of 6 months, compensated by a decent salary, and rely on them for the game balance and ideas. As arrogant as it sounds, and i am sorry if i sound like that to anyone, the dev game portal will be flooded by requests of the so called "discord heroes", people that spend a great amount of their time fanboying a single character, or fighting about who has more mods position in multiple tekken servers, without any real knowledge of the game. Therefore most of the time their opinion will be totally biased and uninformed. The fact they spend WAY more time than the average player on discord, and often organize themselves in cliques, means they will report more time than the average user and will be more loud about their report. Shirdel behavior was not only expected, but i am pretty sure it will be followed by multiple requests for other characters as well by other similar people

@PhiDXGames I was sort of worried about having to learn the game again after one year of dropping it, but thankfully the devs saved me from this hardship.

Tekken 8 Patch 3.0 is not "a small step in the right direction" but "many steps in vastly different directions" Some characters were nerfed in solid ways that make a lot of sense (Anna CH > elbow, Nina b222, Steve armor, Yoshi 1,1) Other characters got slaps on the wrist, or were ONLY buffed. Weaknesses were intentionally removed. This contradicts the statement of focusing on strengths, weakness, and identity. The only consistent thing was a focus on making things "easier." Unique tech and conversions were removed, offense was streamlined, and a lot of execution checks were completely removed. According to this patch, situational awareness is not something that should be heavily rewarded, and cool things keep getting removed or simplified. Generally the vibes seem down, and I'm personally pretty confused by the direction of the game.

@PhiDXGames @Xingu1arity_ They can open 50 different dev portals but if there's noone on the other side listening to the messages being sent it won't do any good. Hard to imagine they were clueless to the sentiment towards the direction up until now because they did not have an official channel of coms

@Xingu1arity_ I have no clue. I think it depends how flexible they are on their stated definitions of each characters' identity

@overflowyouknow yeah but at the same time consider that there are few games even in the 2d domain where you'd need even just what you're showing here as air moves are concerned to have a character, Tekken movelists are just that large

Yeah somehow airborne even Tekken flows nicely. Most of that is on the original animations and blending but some of it is on me decision wise with this mod. I'm pretty stretched thin lol. I could think of a few tweaks visually for improvement but the problem is the number of attacks that can even be bent to work for this. Any attack can be made to go into the air but if the legs don't move it looks like someone is clicking and dragging a still image across the screen.

If Tekken was a 2D game.

@overflowyouknow genuinely there are released games with worse transitions, great stuff, I would love to see this expanded even though I realize it's probably already a good representation of the upper limit of what's achievable

@zen_leaf In a 2D fighter or here? lol

I'd genuinely pay to read the market research that led to this decision

After a significant amount of time, chipping away on and off, I have finally completed what I'm sure is the first ever "Lyrical Walkthrough" for what I'm sure is one of the best games ever... Cave Story. Enjoy... youtube.com/playlist?list=…

@NulowTK deserved for interacting with tmm

40 year old man with dementia has mental breakdown over video game because someone doesn't play the character he likes, but he is too afraid to admit that, so he claims the other player is a "sweat" and proceeds to kick him (spoiler alert: the player after is even a bigger sweat)

@LeaderGrev true, it's also hard to convey such a complex concept within twitter word counts. The fear is always mistaking the illness for the symptoms.

@zen_leaf Totally agree! I wrote roughly that in the piece. My point is generally about concord as a lens, taking into account how disparate the views are

We don’t even talk about games anymore. We just talk about Concord. I wrote about what it means that a game nobody played has become a primary lens online for thinking about games. 🔗⬇️

@LeaderGrev "People" doesn't exist, though. It's a flattening of a multitude of desperate, contrasting and even conflicting values, opinions, rituals. concord means something completely different to anyone you might ask. Everything that is concord is casting a net so wide it loses meaning.

@zen_leaf Appreciate the comment. The article isn’t really about consumers, though, it’s about people talking more about business/marketing than about games themselves. I do have a new appreciation for the idea of concord as an idea, though!