Shamsudeen Babatunde

The real problem is how can you claim to be literate and at the same time believe in the doctrine of trinity? You are running your mouth on someone’s post who is misrepresenting Islamic beliefs for Elon’s money so that gullible people like you will view and post the expected irrational post.

@RealShahriqKhan Honestly, there's no common sense in this religion of Islam. It's a religion that belongs to illiterates, I mean stark illiterates because illiterates can reason. How a right thinking human being can follow this kind of religion,is simply mind boggling !

When I was Muslim, I would argue that Jesus predicted Muhammad.  This worked until I actually read John 14. “...the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name…” Break it down: Helper = parakletos (Greek). This means advocate, intercessor, Spirit of truth. Not a man. Not a prophet. A Spirit. If you claim that’s Muhammad, you have to take the whole verse: Jesus says the Helper comes in His name.  So, basically, you’re saying Allah sent someone in the name of Jesus. Pause. That doesn’t prove Muhammad, that points to Christ. Jesus says this Helper would come after Him and live inside believers. Unless Muhammad is out here indwelling Christians like the Holy Spirit… it doesn’t fit. I didn’t want this to be true. It meant the Bible wasn’t corrupt, just inconvenient. So next time someone says Jesus predicted Muhammad, ask them: Did He also say that the messenger would come in His name? Because that’s what the text says. Unless Muhammad changed his name to Jesus Christ on the way out to Mecca, we are done here.

Since your god was defeated in a wrestling match, how well did he fought? Was it like Brock Lesnar or Obafemi? Was it like the legendary Rock or Undertaker? Was your god breastfed? Did he use the toilet using his hands to wade off flies? With your line of thought, can you see the kind of ridiculousness you’ve subjected your god to? سُبْحَانَ اللَّهِ عَمَّا يَصِفُونَ. “Glory be to Allah (far removed is He) from what they ascribe [to Him].”

@RealEdnut_Shams @MissArouet @RealShahriqKhan ..,The one true God f Abraham, Isaac & Jacob (Israel) manifests as a burning bush before Moses, as a pillar of fire before & behind the Israelites in their time of trouble. He makes manna fall from heaven, wrestles with His creation, & yes manifests in the form of His creation!

Most Muslims or Christians have never caught this, but it’s one of the clearest mix-ups in the Quran. Surah 28:23–27 tells a story about Moses meeting two women at a well, helping water their flocks, and then being offered marriage in exchange for working 8–10 years. Sound familiar? That’s not Moses’s story. That’s Jacob’s story, straight out of Genesis 29. Jacob meets Rachel at a well, helps water her sheep, stays with her father Laban, and works years to marry her.  But in the Quran, that entire arc gets assigned to Moses. Same setup. Same well. Same daughters. Same marriage-for-labor structure. No Laban, Rachel or Leah. Moses becomes the stand-in for Jacob’s entire journey. This isn’t poetic overlap or a creative choice, this is a full narrative transplant. A story pulled from one patriarch and reassigned to another, with no explanation, no context, and no Torah reference. For a book that claims to confirm previous scripture (Surah 2:41, 10:94), that’s not confirmation. That’s confusion. So now you have to ask: Did God forget who He gave the story to? Or was this revelation recycled? Because the Torah lays it out clearly, Jacob, Laban, the years, the deal. But the Quran blends it like it’s interchangeable. If you can’t trust the characters, how can you trust the authority of the Quran?

@scorpious_g @MissArouet @RealShahriqKhan Okay sir. Before I tell you about the logical implications of what you’re saying, answer this; Can your God choose to lie? Can your God choose to stop existing? Can your God become ignorant?

@RealEdnut_Shams @MissArouet @RealShahriqKhan You apparently don’t, otherwise you wouldn’t be screaming “incoherent”. I’ll simplify, you’ve gone & limited God to your human understanding, dictating what He can & cannot do, while still claiming all power. WE DON’T! If He wants to come down as a pillar of fire, GLORY BE TO GOD

@scorpious_g @MissArouet @RealShahriqKhan Lol. You are bothered because someone used his own language to call you what you call him with your own language😂

@RealEdnut_Shams @MissArouet @RealShahriqKhan Because you people use it as an insult, same as Kafir, Kufar, which still means relatively the same. Don’t try & be smart. In future, if you really don’t wish to insult, just say unbeliever. Again, read the Bible to get the answer to that question you’ve asked 3 times now.

@scorpious_g @MissArouet @RealShahriqKhan I need to know your standard first. How is this hard for you?

@RealEdnut_Shams @MissArouet @RealShahriqKhan I said in reply to your earlier post, but I’ll repeat myself. That’s what you need to figure out based on the topic of conversation. You & your prophet were so comfortable believe you could say anything & be believed you never figured out what the answer was. Hint: Read the Bible

@scorpious_g @MissArouet @RealShahriqKhan Again, what are your standards that will make you say that this person who is claiming to be a prophet is indeed a prophet of God.

@RealEdnut_Shams @MissArouet @RealShahriqKhan Yes, you’re right. You’re catching on 😊. Now make Bob my uncle 😊. You are missing one thing though. We will need to know that the being this person was speaking to was also God, & not some tape recorded demon that has some idea about scripture!

So you are afraid that you are going to admit one way or another that the prophet is a messenger of God. Wow, this is rich. You’re still confusing your bible as revelation from God. Saying Allah is God of the Bible is like saying Allah is the God of everything that exists. Your Bible as whole is not a revelation from God. Of course there are certain aspects or messages in the Bible that I will agree with you that are from God. But no Muslim says that the Bible with you is a revelation from God.

@RealEdnut_Shams @MissArouet @RealShahriqKhan Not gonna tell yah 😊. You’ve been spewing about rational & irrational this whole time. So considering the topic of conversation, you should know what would be needed to affirm that not only is Mohammed a prophet, but that the god of the Quran is the God of the Bible 😊….

@scorpious_g @MissArouet @RealShahriqKhan I’m actually saying the message of your Jesus in your book. Paul contradicted some of them. You claimed Jesus sent him remember, so why would Paul preach messages that contradict some of his message?

@RealEdnut_Shams @MissArouet @RealShahriqKhan …To make that claim about Paul must mean you know what the message of Jesus was without needing the Bible, & can produce the evidence.? Needless to say, they’re not the same being, & if they’re not, one’s a liar, & that is the being named allah. Contradicting what came before 🤦🏾‍♂️

@scorpious_g @MissArouet @RealShahriqKhan Who made the claim that Allah is the God of the Bible? You lot confuse the Torah, Zabur, Injeel etc to the OT and Injil to the NT of Bible with you. Well, you’re allowed to believe whatever you want but no Muslim believes that.

@RealEdnut_Shams @MissArouet @RealShahriqKhan 🤣🤣🤣🤣And you say you are not adding. Fine I’ll throw it back at you so you get the point. If allah is really the God of the Bible, why did he teach Mohammed to contradict the Bible? Why didn’t Moses of the Quran know the name of the God of the Bible?…

@MissArouet @scorpious_g @RealShahriqKhan I understand your core doctrine and that in of itself is incoherent and irrational.

@RealEdnut_Shams @scorpious_g @RealShahriqKhan It's not rationality. Otherwise, you would at least understand Christianity. You could still reject it if you want. No, it's a wall you've built like the Pharaoh.

@MissArouet @scorpious_g @RealShahriqKhan Yes God is the most loving and that is one of His names —Al-wadud. God is also just. No ego here, just pure rationality

First, start with the question of whether God is love. If He is love, then he became flesh. If God became flesh, Trinity is logically coherent. That's the only question. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is love. You can resist further, of course, and choose your ego instead of the truth. That's your choice. Peace be with you and God's grace.

@scorpious_g @MissArouet @RealShahriqKhan I don’t know why you feel insulted by the term Mushrik. You guys consider us unbelievers too right. Again, what rational evidence, proofs do you need to ascertain that this person is indeed a prophet of God?

@RealEdnut_Shams @MissArouet @RealShahriqKhan …Calling us Mishrik & insulting us, doesn’t make yours or Mohammed’s claim true, & this is a bad start, cause you’re trying to argue from silence. I don’t have to do anything. There’s nothing there so you have to prove why something needs to rightfully be there. Islam is a lie!

@scorpious_g @MissArouet @RealShahriqKhan Yes, what evidence do you need from a human to prove that the person is indeed a prophet of God?

@RealEdnut_Shams @MissArouet @RealShahriqKhan …You should take your own advice about logic classes. You’re arguing silence doesn’t mean absence, but it also doesn’t mean presence, talk less of a 700 year fabrication that can’t prove its presence. You’d first need to prove Mohammed before attempting to prove reliability.!

@scorpious_g @MissArouet @RealShahriqKhan Yes, any could do so. How do we believe te person doing so was sent by God. That is the real question. Once that’s is ironed out, bob is your uncle🤌🏿

@RealEdnut_Shams @MissArouet @RealShahriqKhan “Because” the Bible “is” silent about it is the very reason it is a lie! You’re attempting to add what was never revealed. If we follow your logic, ANYBODY could add a name, & if they could do that, they could add anything they want… Like your prophet! See, rationality 😊!

@scorpious_g @MissArouet @RealShahriqKhan What do you need me to show to you that the prophet is a messenger of God? What rational evidence do you need?

@RealEdnut_Shams @MissArouet @RealShahriqKhan …You wanted to say God told Mohammed about Aaron? Here’s your problem. First you have to prove proper that Mohammed actually heard from the God of the Jews, & that he was a prophet. See, our “irrationality” won’t allow us to be as gullible as Muslims. We have the truth 😊!

I meant it as a revelation other than the Torah just as the Quran is a revelation other than the Torah and Injil. The God in who claimed to reveal the Quran also claimed to have revealed the Torah, Injil, Zabur (Psalms) and all the revelations of the prophets of old. So no one is actually adding to anything, they are all progressive revelations. If Jesus told Paul anything, why did Paul contradicted the messages of Jesus?

@RealEdnut_Shams @MissArouet @RealShahriqKhan First, again you lie Isaiah, Jeremiah, & Joshua never added to the Torah🤣🤣🤣🤣. Jesus told Paul to spread the gospel, the Holy Spirit insured the writing. Do you see how ridiculous your plan was 🤣🤣🤣? Do you really want to say Jesus told Mohammed to write the Quran ?🤨🤦🏾‍♂️🤣🤣

How did you know it’s a lie when your book is silent on this matter? Again, is it possible to be a trinitarian and be a rational human being? You better register for a class or course in logical reasoning so that your brain can reason well. There’s only little I can do for you here especially when you have wired your brain to reject Islam even though it’s the truth.

@RealEdnut_Shams @MissArouet @RealShahriqKhan …if I “have no way of knowing” how do you know? All the Aaron’s in the world can exist, but if none of them are attributed as the brother of Mary, any such addition is a lie 🤦🏾‍♂️. You keep proving you’re one irrationality & attempt to attribute it to trinitarians. Too much cope 🤣

@scorpious_g @MissArouet @RealShahriqKhan Who told Isaiah, Jeremiah, Joshua etc to add to the Torah? Who told Paul to add to the gospels? Do you see how ridiculous your argument is.

@RealEdnut_Shams @MissArouet @RealShahriqKhan So you’re saying you can add to scripture is that correct 🤔? No worries. Mohammed had a brother named Satan. It’s not in the Quran but I received a revelation of it. What kind of stupid argument is that 🤦🏾‍♂️? Who told you & your prophet you had the right to add to the Bible?…

You started the personal attack and I was being lenient in my response with that blunder from you. Okay let’s combine the two verses O People of the Book! Do not go to extremes regarding your faith; say nothing about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger of Allah and the fulfilment of His Word through Mary and a spirit ˹created by a command˺ from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers and do not say, “Trinity.” Stop!—for your own good. Allah is only One God. Glory be to Him! He is far above having a son! To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And Allah is sufficient as a Trustee of Affairs. And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?” He will answer, “Glory be to You! How could I ever say what I had no right to say? If I had said such a thing, you would have certainly known it. You know what is ˹hidden˺ within me, but I do not know what is within You. Indeed, You ˹alone˺ are the Knower of all unseen. What is the Correlation between this two verses with regards to the trinity? The first verse didn’t define what the trinity is, neither is the second verse. The second verse is a foretold discussion that will happen on judgment day where Jesus (PBUH) will deny you and free himself from what you ascribed to him. The only correlation between these two verses is worshiping Allah alone without partners. The Quran is condemning any form of elevating Jesus or Mary to divine status, and addressing actual practices or beliefs among some groups who have venerated Mary excessively. Come to the worship of the only true God.

@RealEdnut_Shams @MissArouet @RealShahriqKhan My bad, it was supposed to be a 2 parter. I know what you were responding to but we’ll leave the insults for now (no worries I’m patient 😊) Combine that with Surah Al-Maidah (5:116). Now tell me Mary is not considered part of the trinity in the Quran? Don’t you know your book?

So, according to your Bible, you do not Mary’s father name nor know if she had a sibling named Aaron. Who told you that you have the right to condemn what you don’t know, what you have no way of knowing, what you will never know? So because you know an Aaron from the OT, no other person can be named Aaron? Again, can you be a trinitarian and be rational at the same time?

@RealEdnut_Shams @MissArouet @RealShahriqKhan According to the Bible we are neither provided name of Mary’s father nor if she had any brothers named Aaron. We do know of an Aaron in the Old Testament, who was the brother of Moses, thousands of years before Mary & Jesus. Saying otherwise is an addition, lie & shows ignorance!