WizardTFT

My brazilian commie GOAT AOTY posted again kaatayra.bandcamp.com/album/caminhos…

@revenant_MMXX We just forgetting hyperpop and trap and cloud rap? What's going on?

For all the snobbery directed at nu-metal/alt-metal acts in the '00s, that was probably the last time anything remotely unique or interesting existed in mainstream music.

@MinModulation What the fuck does this even mean

the way communists talk about art is so funny. it's like evangelicals talking about transgenderism

@Samuel_rar__ I'm literally a harsh noise enjoyer and if I was at a show and saw this I would think it's hack shit. This is the kind of shit you do because you're making noise to be edgy but don't understand dynamics at all.

a la mayoría de gente no le gusta el noise y demás géneros desafiantes porque la percepción del arte del inconsciente colectivo está arraigada en el esteticismo relacionan arte únicamente con hedonismo y exaltación de la belleza, buscan arte apolíneo e inofensivo

@DroptineArt When normies take over a niche space, they colonize it. I can't believe it's taken this long to realize that.

To add to this: In the 2010s there was a new wave of young people joining the fandom that brought with them a huge wave of criticism against the existing community under the guise of progressive ideology. One big criticism you read all the time back then was “furry needs to diversify its music” and the criticism was like “you never hear rap music at cons or anything but the same old EDM”, which was literally not true but people went along with it anyway because you weren’t allowed to say anything mean to our younger members in the 2010s or you were accused of gatekeeping or being conservative. Anyway. What started happening was that no one wanted to touch the EDM that we’d always been playing at cons—the furry ones especially—because it was seen as being dated and worn out. It was seen as cringy at best and bigoted at worst to hang onto the “old fandom”. But new musicians didn’t replace the old ones. We didn’t get furry hip hop or new furry EDM. Everyone just started playing mainstream music. People started pushing for non-furry musicians to play at cons, too. There was a big push for groups like Mystery Skulls and that sort of stuff. The young members in furry came storming into the community demanding changes be made to our art but didn’t fill the space with anything new. I personally would’ve loved the “there’s no rap at cons” to have lead to furries making rap in the fandom but it didn’t. You just heard mainstream music at cons. I went to cons all through the 2010s and you could feel the energy shifting. People weren’t making new furry art. They were just bringing normie art they liked into furry. And as the space was filled with mainstream “normie” art, we got MORE young people coming in wanting furry itself to reflect that. People join this community ashamed of being cringe or embarrassed to hang out with the old heads that made the fandom, and they want to do it their own way but most of them end up not doing anything. They just bring normie bullshit into weird spaces then get mad at the people who want to keep it weird. That’s how we’ve gotten where we are now, where a musician puts their fursona’s butt on the album art and people are losing their minds over it. Our community is full of people who are ashamed of weirdness and resent it existing around them, and they’re here because no one was allowed to tell them otherwise for over ten years.

@FuciMiNaKule @aaron_vdp @LiamRichardSwan Yeah, that's literally the point of the trolley problem, that you are choosing who dies regardless of what you do. Ethics are weighting the consequences of your actions and choosing accordingly, not avoiding sin.

@WizardTft @aaron_vdp @LiamRichardSwan if you don't push the fat man off the bridge to stop the trolley, are you responsible for killing the 5?

@FuciMiNaKule @aaron_vdp @LiamRichardSwan Hey quick question, if you decide not to pull the lever in the trolley problem, are you responsible for killing someone?

@FuciMiNaKule @aaron_vdp @LiamRichardSwan i fucking knew it lmao

@WizardTft @aaron_vdp @LiamRichardSwan no

lmao i called it

@WizardTft @aaron_vdp @LiamRichardSwan you could've just said "yes"

This question is being framed by a lot of people as the right decision morally (blue button) VS the right decision logically (red button), but pressing the red button is obviously wrong in both cases lol If your priority is self-preservation, you should press Blue!

@FuciMiNaKule @aaron_vdp @LiamRichardSwan No man. Pressing blue is nothing happening, pressing red means that if 51% of the people don't press red, everyone who pressed red sends a drone strike to the house of everyone that pressed blue, killing them instantly. You don't have to actually build Roko's Basilisk.

@WizardTft @aaron_vdp @LiamRichardSwan ?? are you retarded? the bridge is the two buttons offered

@FuciMiNaKule @aaron_vdp @LiamRichardSwan The bridge isnt there in the first place, you pressing red is what build's the bridge. Again, it's literally Roko's Basilisk. Just don't build the mass killing machine. Don't press red and nothing happens.

@WizardTft @aaron_vdp @LiamRichardSwan if I told you to jump off a bridge but not to worry, if 51% jumped with you then there would be a inflatable air cushon that would save you, or you could just stay at home, you're saying that staying at home kills people lmao

@FuciMiNaKule @aaron_vdp @LiamRichardSwan No man, the blue button does nothing. How the fuck does the red button not do anything? If 51% of people press blue everyone lives, if 51% of people press red, 49% of the people die. Pressing red in the best case scenario achieves the same result as blue, but with maybe murder.

@WizardTft @aaron_vdp @LiamRichardSwan the fuck does that have to do with this problem? the red button does literally nothing, you could rephrase it to have only one button that kills you unless 51% of people press it, there is zero reason to press that button

@FuciMiNaKule @aaron_vdp @LiamRichardSwan "Just build Roko's Basilisk bro, it's the self preservation option bro".

@WizardTft @aaron_vdp @LiamRichardSwan Pressing red is only correct on the assumption that you want to survive

Red Button pushers are the kind of dude's who think Roko's Basilisk is deep.

I think the final form of the button discourse is between people who think evil is some nebulous innate thing, or the result of people doing specific actions at specific times.

@aaron_vdp @LiamRichardSwan *chat gpt

@aaron_vdp @LiamRichardSwan Holy shit you actually used chat got to reply to me what the fuck lol

*launch a drone strike at people who pressed blue if over half of you picked red, you get the idea.

It's a reverse trolley problem for dumbasses. If you press blue nothing happens. If you press red you launch a drone strike at anyone who pressed blue. Actual dumbasses think they are smart for pushing red, it's insane to me.

This entire thread is why you need to actually teach the philosophy of ethics in school. Absolutely nobody actually understands the real question being asked.