real bnuy

Twitter is a hellhole and it’s miserable here

consent to kiss =/= consent to have intercourse

@SmolCebela @AbyssticMyst (also, not to drag this on because i agree its a bit weird we’re arguing. but zeal has shown, outside of this, to not be a great person really. i wouldn’t support him anyway. i don’t agree with his morals, ethics, or how he treats other people.)

@bnuycoded @AbyssticMyst and surely you know what happened to kwite? i'm 26 years old, and I don't love the idea of arguing with a 17 year old, but I promise you this experience is heavily framed against zeal with the intention of manipulating you into picking her side due to her own lack of evidence.

Ren stated she screamed no over and over, but then said yes to PLEASE YOU, SO YOU WOULDN'T BE MAD AT HER. "Consent cannot be retracted 6 months later" The "consent" in question was already forced, and wasn't there to begin with.

@SmolCebela @AbyssticMyst i don’t, i am not on that side of youtube . but his was disproven, no? zeal’s hasn’t actually been disproven. if that somehow changes, despite the multiple people who have experienced things he’s done, then i will concede. i never liked pressure much, i just believe victims.

@SmolCebela @AbyssticMyst because ive experienced similar/some of the things ren speaks about. multiple times. i am capable of seeing the fault lines, but knowledge of how people respond to that trauma and situation clears it up. there is no perfect victim, stop pushing for one.

@bnuycoded @AbyssticMyst why do you pretend like you were there? you have to see the fault lines in rens document, the whole time she tried to paint zeal as manipulating her and coercing her, but his responses are all bland "ok's" and "sure's" you have no actually idea how he was like and how things went

people on here scare me because they don’t understand how consent works, just because they had a different experience. if it’s not an enthusiastic, willing, and cognitive yes it can’t be taken as consent. and consent for one thing doesn’t give consent for other things.

@SmolCebela @AbyssticMyst casually progressing without explicit consent is still SA. i don’t get why you can’t understand that a lack of explicit consent = not consenting. implied consent is not consent. coerced consent is not consent.

@bnuycoded @AbyssticMyst and you don't know that. so do not believe that that is 100% the truth. instead remove cognitive bias and take everything in. rens frame paints it as SA, but zeals frame paints it as a casually progressed event (which is incredibly common) grain of salt, and what you decide.

@SmolCebela @AbyssticMyst does this suddenly change what happened on that night?

@bnuycoded @AbyssticMyst my opinion, after reading everything, i believe she was obsessed with him, infatuated she wanted him so badly she drove herself to messaging him frequently, spamming him while he would likely of been busy he said he didnt want a long dis partner, but she kept insisting it on him

@SmolCebela @AbyssticMyst i have read it. idk why zeal defenders assume people don’t read. i have read every doc that has come out. wanting something else AFTER you didn’t want something initially doesn’t mean you secretly wanted the first thing.

@bnuycoded @AbyssticMyst read everything zeals document has brought to light, including the document revealing omitted information (this document also includes the voice message ren left out, where you can hear her tone clear as day in the moment, she wanted to have sex with him again) this is not trauma

@SmolCebela @AbyssticMyst even if she fully and enthusiastically consented to everything after, that does NOT mean ren was not initially assaulted before. it could’ve totally been ren lying after that, it could’ve been consensual. this does not change the fact ren was assaulted on that first night.

@bnuycoded @AbyssticMyst you take her 100% at her word and believe she is incapable of lying to us while she tries to also say that everything after the first night was her lying to please zeal this is an ignorant stance, because many people do infact lie unless you think kwite is also a SA'er

@QuestionableEt @Yogh_a_ @s1nn3r_r additionally, agreeing to do something else after being assaulted doesn’t take away the assault.

@bnuycoded @Yogh_a_ @s1nn3r_r You have to be stupid, you are acting like they were having sex by Twitter chat like holy? Zeal stated the entire thing happening in the 2nd night and then ren is implying they had 69 position sex and she liked it alot

The amount of people telling me "Ren was asking for it" is honestly disgusting, Ren never asked for anything BEFORE the assault but a simple kiss. Sexual assault is an intense act that can genuinely alter the brain and send victims into shock.

@QuestionableEt @Yogh_a_ @s1nn3r_r any messages sent between them after was stated to be consensual, yes. this does not mean ren genuinely wanted anything irl. lying for the purpose of fawning is absolutely a thing.

@Maximusa5qmu man i was a victim of sexual coercion and manipulation online and i did stuff like that for my perpetrator. I wanted so hard to believe what i was doing is something i wanted. I still go back and forth with myself years later about if i “secretly wanted it”. I didn’t know better.

@bnuycoded она была согласна. она не страдала, почему вы не можете это понять. вам надо к чему-нибудь прицепится чтобы полизать жопу Рен настолько, что вы не видите полной картины. человек который страдал не скидывал бы столько порно, зайчиков и прочего. ей нравилось. ей было круто🙂

woke up from my sleep to tell you guys that YOU CANNOT CONSENT TO SOMETHING HAPPENING /AFTER/ IT HAPPENED! That is NOT how it works! Saying you wanted it AFTER does not suddenly make the situation consensual. Saying yes/being eager to do something else after is ALSO NOT CONSENT!

@Maximusa5qmu The post i linked you to, this post, is because the messages you are spreading around are from after the initial assault. they aren’t “proof” of consent for anything.

@bnuycoded что, прости🙂

i’m going to sleep. ok? remember you are loved. ok? you are valid. ok? 🌷🌷🌷

support victims, even if their story isn’t identical to what you’ve heard before. you cannot fully base one persons trauma and experiences off of another persons. it often isn’t your place to tell someone what did or did not happen to them. don’t do that. stay safe 🌷

@SmolCebela @AbyssticMyst (2) you’re also willingly ignoring the part where there had been issues with their bond for ages beforehand. its not like the unhealthy bits suddenly appeared after. if you had read the document ren made, you’d see there was a lot of lead up. this helps to explain ren’s reaction.

@SmolCebela @AbyssticMyst so there’s this really crazy thing called trauma, and sometimes there’s a trauma response. and, on occasion, this trauma response can present as continuing to try and please the person who hurt you because you’re trying to convince yourself what happened was okay. (1)

@KozuTheKama This screenshot was taken after the incident; this is not her giving consent during the incident. Even if it was before the incident, consent can be retracted at any moment and is not a one time deal. You can want sexual interactions, even from your own abusers

@Maximusa5qmu @sweatyturnip throws this at you x.com/bnuycoded/stat…

@sweatyturnip принудительное согласие:

dumb fucks suddenly forget what coerced consent means.

grooming isnt about adult manipulating a minor its about power difference