Patrick 🇵🇸 🍉 ретвитнул
Patrick 🇵🇸 🍉
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Patrick 🇵🇸 🍉 ретвитнул

@JasonPearlman @owenjonesjourno You said they wouldn't accept Jews, so racist. You said they wouldn't accept LGBT, so bigoted.
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@patrickamon @owenjonesjourno Did I say that? I think you’re projecting.
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It’s an ingenious question.
All of Israel’s cheerleaders should be made to answer it.
Zachary Foster@_ZachFoster
define a “Jewish State”. What a brilliant question.
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@JasonPearlman @owenjonesjourno I d not accept your premise that Palestinians are racist, bigoted, murderous monsters, for the same reason that I do not accept other racist stereotypes that have been used to justify suppressing and murdering members of minority ethnic groups in history.
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@patrickamon @owenjonesjourno But you also have the intelligence to know that a Palestinian state would not accept Jews… or indeed LGBT…. Or to an extent even Christians?
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@JasonPearlman @owenjonesjourno Either that or one, which accepts all faiths and communities.
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@patrickamon @owenjonesjourno So… to clarify. You believe there should be two states? And both should accept all faiths and communities?
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@JasonPearlman @owenjonesjourno families had lived for many generations.
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@JasonPearlman @owenjonesjourno their equality is somewhat qualified, but yes, the injury done by Israel to the inhabitants pre 1948 of the land we now call Israel is not chiefly to those Palestinians who are now citizens of Israel, but to those Palestinians who are not permitted to return to where their
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@JasonPearlman @owenjonesjourno When people say that Israel is a state for the Jews do they mean that "Jew" and "Israeli citizen" are synonyms? If not, then those who defend Israel on the grounds that it is a homeland for the Jews do not mean that it is a homeland only for its citizens. Of course this is so
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@patrickamon @owenjonesjourno By special group of people do you mean it’s citizens?
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@JasonPearlman @owenjonesjourno state that defends its own atrocities on those grounds.
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@JasonPearlman @owenjonesjourno But I'm simply not. I am adamant that *any* state that defends atrocities on the grounds that it is a special state for a particular group of people must be prepared to define what being a state for that group of people consists in. It simply happens that I cannot think of any
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@JasonPearlman @owenjonesjourno because there cannot possibly be any other reason to hate me, even though I'm doing ethnic cleansing, military occupation and apartheid.
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@JasonPearlman @owenjonesjourno You: there you go again, attacking our religious history and culture.
Us guys: we're not attacking your religious history and culture, we're objecting to ethnic cleansing, military occupation and apartheid.
You: no, no, it can't be that. You must hate me because I'm Jewish,
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@JasonPearlman @owenjonesjourno Christian state.
You: ah, you seem to be confused. Palestinians, you see, are murderous genocidal monsters who could not possibly share a state with Jews.
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@JasonPearlman @owenjonesjourno OK, the conversation so far:
Zachary: define a Jewish state
Owen: good question
You: Haha, gotcha, can you define a Christian state?
Me: it's not necessary to define a Christian state since no one is defending ethnic cleansing on the grounds that the state doing it is a
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@jewishbeau @owenjonesjourno Given that we all have 4096 great great great great great great great great great great great grandparents the idea of an ancestral homeland is a bit incoherent. We all have ancestors from all over the place.
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@owenjonesjourno I have. You just want an answer you like. Not one that’s true. I can’t help you with that I’m afraid. Ask someone that hates Israel.
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@JasonPearlman @owenjonesjourno better be prepared to define what they mean by a "Christian state".
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@JasonPearlman @owenjonesjourno If there is a Christian state that justifies its dispossession and subsequent military occupation of people ethnically cleansed in order to create that state on the grounds that it is a "Christian state" and deserves special rights accordingly then advocates of that state had
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@GabiStilman @owenjonesjourno China is astonishingly ethnically diverse.
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@owenjonesjourno China? Japan? There are plenty of peoples in the world, and the Jewish people has the same right as the others: self-determination.
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@bernardtjoy 8 miles there and another 8 miles back, or 4 miles there and 4 miles back?
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Scottish here, I walk 8 miles to and from work every day.
Marc Torrence@marctorrence
This will sound like an obnoxious “only in New York thing” but randomly deciding to walk 6 miles home from work because it’s a nice day and you want some fresh air is really an amazing experience you can’t get anywhere else
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