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@agris1144 @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 You've done that though. You've seen me being critical of two systems and confused it with me equating them. Millions starved under soviet rule. That's a fact. Millions starved under capitalism, also a fact

@ASheeeep @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 My position remains unchanged - you very obviously confuse ''being critical of everything'' with equivocation of everything & this discussion has only served to bolster this position. There are still things for you to learn going forward & that's okay. Don't be dogmatic.

>Great civilization in human history >Died in less than a century

@agris1144 @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 Go on, state it. My position is that you should be critical of all systems. I don't want to strawman your argument so set your goal posts

@ASheeeep @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 I've already explained it. Repeatedly.

@agris1144 @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 "buzz words" and it's just me pointing out logical fallacies. You know, I've made my position pretty clear over and over, what's your position here? Where are you arguing from?

@ASheeeep @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 You use a lot of buzzwords typical of ''debate bro'' culture, yet, thus far, you have not convinced me you are competent enough to know what they actually mean nor how to properly apply them in practice.

@agris1144 @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 I'm actually so done with this shit dawg.mbe critical of everything, that's my main point. If you hold a lens to a system, hold it to others. Fuck you

@ASheeeep @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 Arguments do not take place to convince the other of something - they exist so that both sides can come to an understanding of their disagreement.

@agris1144 @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 You've literally strawman'd my position so many times. Shut the fuck up 😭

@ASheeeep @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 ''Bad faith'' in this instance would more-so apply to you, who speaks from a position of a lack of knowledge & understanding, yet presents their position with complete confidence - as if you were an expert on the matter.

@agris1144 @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 If you're not debating me to convince me of anything, then why are you arguing with me? That makes no sense you idiot

@ASheeeep @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 If you think I'm here to convince you of something - you're already missing the mark. If we're arguing - that's probably not going to be happening.

@agris1144 @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 So, you don't oppose my actual position, you oppose my views? That's bad faith

@ASheeeep @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 In this particular instance my point is to oppose very clearly misguided views.

@agris1144 @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 The USSR had an authoritarian and corrupt government that would force people into slavery. Capitalist systems have laws and corruption that take your freedom and hand you to a privately owned prison where you work for pennies. Neither is about capitalism, both about authoritarian

@agris1144 @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 You're the one who's been wanting me to hold that position though? The way I see it is, the USSR collectivised resources poorly and that lead to starvation, current capitalist systems have the means to feed others but don't, thus cause starvation

@agris1144 @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 I'll be so real, I don't know what you're getting at here. Could you reword it?

@ASheeeep @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 One of the most important disconnects here has to do with the existence of civil society and accountability ''to the people''. In the USSR, for example, neither existed.

@agris1144 @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 The point of a debate/argument is to evolve an idea, if your position is to just oppose me, then you're coming at it in bad faith

@agris1144 @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 Idk about you, but I've done actual debate. Obviously I take it a lot less seriously in twitter, but no, a lot of the people I debate don't agree with me, that's why there's a debate. I can recognise a different view point being good faith, you're not

@agris1144 @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 My bad, you're right, in that sense yeah they absolutely are secret police, snatching people from their homes and off the streets with no due process and putting the in a camp. That is absolutely wrong,mlike the Gestapo or KGB or Stasi doing the same. I'm saying the US has others

@ASheeeep @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 ICE agents were allowed to conduct operations against individuals who were granted no due process whilst they themselves could not be identified while conducting said operations - often wearing masks, no badges w/ numbers, no name tags & civilian clothing.

@agris1144 @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 Strawman fallacy. Literally said "positions I see as bad faith or illogical". I have debates constantly from people who know what they're talking about

@ASheeeep @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 Then why do you even argue with anyone about anything if you cannot stand different viewpoints ? I see your position as flawed, yet I do not resort to being aggressive or rude because of it - instead I argue my point.

@agris1144 @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 Nothing screams secret police like massive "Immigration customs enforcement" letters on your back. The idea of secret police is that they're, you know, secret? Secret police would be like Cointelpro or something

@ASheeeep @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 Recent ICE activity was the closest the US has recently come to anything even remotely close to "secret police" activity as seen in totalitarian & authoritarian states.

@agris1144 @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 Because I can? I don't really put up with positions I see as bad faith an illogical. You've said there are no secret police in capitalist societies, that I'm not being critical of slave labour camps, and you've used What aboutisms and No True Scotsman fallacies

@ASheeeep @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 Why so aggressive & rude all of a sudden ? Surely you can be civil if your position doesn't stand on quicksand..

@agris1144 @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 Ice isn't secret police bro. You're missing the whole secret part of secret police. How are you Latvian and falling for American red scare propaganda 😭

@ASheeeep @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 There aren't and the concept is socially frowned upon, which, alongside the existence of civil society, makes implementing anything similar nearly impossible (look at the reaction to recent ICE activity in the US, for example).

@agris1144 @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 Ok? So your family living there means capitalist countries don't feel starvation globally?

@ASheeeep @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 Unlike you I actually live here & have family members who experienced all of this first-hand 👍

@agris1144 @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 Plus YOU brought up slave labour camps, I shouldn't have to debate this shit with you when I was talking about preventable deaths, you nimwit

@ASheeeep @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 Also you're not "being critical" - you're attempting to equivocate things which are not even remotely the same.

@agris1144 @NAnjafaridze @ConspiracyBull1 "not remotely the same" *Literally the same thing*