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Fashionably late to this party, but here’s me and some art I done did last year! 🤟🤓 #artvsartist #artvsartist2023

@RyanPMcGowan @DougTenNapel Also though, as I already said, it’s great that so many people are employed in the creation of that pencil! While my personal interest is in breaking down how a piece of art was made, I’m still very much happy and inspired by the fact PEOPLE create and manufacture my pencils! 🤟

@RyanPMcGowan @DougTenNapel It’s just such a stretched argument dude, you’re grasping at straws here is all. 😄 If I got this right, you think because I don’t focus as much on the pencil I use, it then extends into my also not caring about the art it makes? Incredible leap in logic there I gotta say. 😬

Ai doesn't address the David being carved out of marble. Giant, difficult, impossible skill level classic art not only isn't being done by Ai, it isn't being done by 99.9% of the artists of the last 100 years. I'm a pop-culture, mass-media artist (among other types of art I also make) and have produced and delivered over 50 projects entertaining tens of millions of people and not a single member of that audience was aware of the work it takes nor did they care what processes we used so long as they were entertained. Ai makes pop-media easy and cheap. I highly doubt that if the audiences "bought" more Simpson's with their attention than The David carved in marble that they will suddenly find their art integrity and refuse Ai. Though, if they're going to ditch Ai on the principle that it isn't the David carved in marble, I hope they'd also reject McDonald's, The Simpson's and even Earthworm Jim with this new found, mass revival of maturity and commitment to Truth, Goodness and Beauty.

@RyanPMcGowan @DougTenNapel So because I’m not aware of every single last detail of a massive supply chain and industry…that then means I don’t really care? 🤨 Some logic you got there….nobody knows everything my dude, but I don’t have to, I still very much care about how a piece of art is made.

@IAMROLLES @DougTenNapel You don't have a grasp of how the sausage is made but think you do.

@RyanPMcGowan @DougTenNapel Same, been in my local music scene 20+ years, playing in bands and drawing for bands. They’re constantly getting asked (as has my bands, so asking me directly quite often) who did the merch and posters…so idk man, either your posters suck, or the scene you’re in does.

Sorry man. I've done music for over twenty years. Posters are a non factor in people going to shows. I've had exactly zero (0) people ever ask me who did the poster for a show. And I saw that with all the love in my heart because my friend DJ makes amazing posters for our shows.

@RyanPMcGowan @DougTenNapel Pretty sure we were making pencils just fine long before Ai data centres. Sorry but…the heck is your point? Not makin too much sense.

@IAMROLLES @DougTenNapel Yes, and that percentage also includes AI data centers.

@RyanPMcGowan @DougTenNapel Good, so lots of employed people.

@IAMROLLES @DougTenNapel That's not what supply chain is. I recommend learning how many people are involved with making a pencil. You'll discover that it's a double digit percentage of the world population that is involved.

@RyanPMcGowan @DougTenNapel The logic there is simple; if a band didn’t care enough to support an artist to create for their promos, then why should anyone support their band? Can apply that thinking to almost any industry.

@RyanPMcGowan @DougTenNapel Let me tell you something I know from experience; I do poster designs a lot, for local bands to promote shows. Could they cut me out and save costs? Absolutely…but they don’t, do you know why? Because they know a good poster from a known artist gets more people in the door.

@RyanPMcGowan @DougTenNapel People are discovering just how connected we are to art…before Ai, many never had to think about it, because it was just a given that another person made it. Now…those people are discovering something they used to take for granted; why art inspires them, because people made it.

@RyanPMcGowan @DougTenNapel So stop projecting onto me, I know myself a bit better than you. I understand as an artist I’m maybe a special case, benefits me to look under the hood…but what I’m saying is, I’ve been noticing that perhaps I’m not. Many people, non artists even, seem to care just as much.

@dfhsdhs79765 @sappholives83 It’s the lack of due process YOU should be concerned about…that’s not permissible even for really serious criminals….but you think it should be allowed for someone who just didn’t do some paperwork 20 odd years ago?

@dfhsdhs79765 @sappholives83 You really haven’t been paying attention…a LOT of mistakes are being made. People being falsely arrested, some held for months. Some being sent straight into prison camps in places like Venezuela…disappearing without any due process, incarcerated with HARD criminals, for what?

Nothing to see here; just the “good guys”fantasizing about putting Republicans in concentration camps. This is the ultimate destination for any movement that sees violence as a rational response to disagreement.

@StatistAnarcho @sappholives83 This isn’t “regular police work”, what police force do you know of just rushes you into service, $50,000 sign up bonus, zero police academy? It’s no wonder they’re hurting people, hiring the most incompetent, racist, trigger happy asshats tends to do that.

@IAMROLLES @sappholives83 No, having defined borders is not "literally the holocaust" And no, the fact that one dude got unjustly shot by police officers is not evidence of some conspiracy to kill protestors. You are eager to defend concentration camps, while comparing regular police work to genocide.

@TheGreatErenan @DougTenNapel But I also pay attention online, mass boycotts and Ai grifters getting ratio’d daily…I wouldn’t ignore that if I was them. But ya, no…everyone I talk to here hates it, I don’t even start those convos, they often bring it up.

@TheGreatErenan @DougTenNapel Well, keep in mind I’m 40, with no kids, living in farming community central Canada, working a semi delivery job (currently), so I only really interact with a certain demographic and age group. So my perspective is anecdotal, happy to admit that. 1/2

I'm very old. I have much more experience and data. There aren't more people in the audience who care than I think, but there is definitley less in the audience who care than most can imagine. We probably can agree that this wouldn't be an all or nothing type of thing.

@DougTenNapel I do feel that’s your current blind spot, reinforced by your own echo chambers. I’m saying…mass boycotting doesn’t just happen for no reason. You probably shouldn’t ignore that, there is a reason for it.

@DougTenNapel I think this is different, people still work in restaurants, people still produce and perform the K-pop…we never had to think about that before, it was always a given. We’re now in uncharted waters, but you’re comparing it as if they’re somehow the same. 1/2

@DougTenNapel With all due respect, you don’t think Ai supporters are in an echo chamber themselves? It’s easy to see the benefits to output, you’d have to be pretty dense not to understand that obvious uptick, but I think the focus on “number go up” is blinding a lot of you to the pushback.

@IAMROLLES That's an echo chamber online. It's not the general consuming public.