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@whoisomariam @littlefoxnev You can't just ignore the subsistence farmers and the landlords. That's just contrived.
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@MSpondee @littlefoxnev Keeping the periphery poor DOES benefit you as a consumerist because the relatively low price of the commodities (for you) is wholly dependent on the cheap labor ... we're not talking about their farmers, were talking about their textile workers.
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There are people who come from historical settler family backgrounds with labor aristocracy/petit-bourgeoisie parents who are reproletarianizing (losing access to land property, making below global value of labor). Vast majority of ppl from this background are not proletarians.
𝔹𝕦𝕥𝕥𝕖𝕣 ℙ𝕖𝕔𝕒𝕟 ℙ𝕣𝕠𝕝𝕖𝕥𝕒𝕣𝕚𝕒𝕥@BPProletariat
Colonialism is class collaboration between settler proletarians and settler bourgeoisie. They are united by race against the colonized. Settler colonialism requires a steady stream of cheap labor.
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@whoisomariam @littlefoxnev Worst thing comes to worse, the textile industry is offshored to Burundi as the workers demand higher wages.
Keeping the imperial periphery undeveloped and on subsistence agriculture doesn't benefit me as a consumerist pig.
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@whoisomariam @littlefoxnev The only people who benefit from the high rate of profit here are the capitalists. Keeping Bangladesh poor and undeveloped means that I can't buy more consumer goods from them the same way I can buy from China.
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@whoisomariam @littlefoxnev So the seamstresses are stuck being cheap labor. This focus on financial hocus-pocus ignores the underlying labor situation on the ground.
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@whoisomariam @littlefoxnev When there are a 100 landless farmers coming in from the countryside to find work in the city then of course you're going to get low wages and of course the capitalists won't innovate.
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@whoisomariam @littlefoxnev You're not breaking the stereotype of Third-Worldists.
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@MSpondee @littlefoxnev Lol I think you're confusing tech with investment banking. I used to work in the Valley before SF made me want to kms. Some of the laziest "workers" around. If you're a real hard worker, you're coding for 2 hours, reviewing/writing docs for 1 hour, and in meetings for 3 hours.
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@whoisomariam @littlefoxnev The USA can afford social programs and so on because it has an abundance of agricultural productivity in part connected to its natural gas resources and nitrogen fertilizer production.
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@whoisomariam @littlefoxnev You are focusing financial on hocus-pocus instead of the actual productive forces underlying how the world works today.
Half of Bangladesh works in agriculture. The country lacks the means of production and so it is poor.
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@whoisomariam @littlefoxnev For a start, tech is notorious for overwork and burnout. Secondly, $200K FAANG senior coders are a concentrated minority. Most tech workers make around $100K.
But you know this is a poor comparison. The average USAian works in retail or something.
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@MSpondee @littlefoxnev Sorry, buddy, this isn't 1848. You really think a US coder that makes $200K, effectively works ~30 hour weeks, PTO & benefits, has class interests more aligned with a Bengali seamstress than his CEO?
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@whoisomariam @littlefoxnev You cannot maintain military dominance without superior labor productivity. IP rents are fictitious and can only be imposed by force.
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@MSpondee @littlefoxnev This ignores capital exports, monopoly, IP rents, materialized military dominance (eg.: USD demand propped up by petrodollar), the mismatch between mobile capital & immobile labor, and doesn't explain wealth disparities far beyond productivity gaps
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nice omar 🟥@whoisomariam
@littlefoxnev One thing about the awesome size of the income gap is how it shreds any alternative explanation to unequal exchange (like the liberal's fav "muh productivity"). Sure American steelworkers produce 6x as much steel per capita as Indian steelworkers ... but they earn 33x as much.
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@whoisomariam @littlefoxnev It's literally impossible to maintain an empire without having superior labor productivity.
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@MSpondee @littlefoxnev This has absolutely NOTHING to do with town vs country distinction, btw. The industrial workers in the exploited global periphery broadly live in their country's urban cores, and there are many in the net appropriating First World who live in exurbs and rural areas.
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@whoisomariam @littlefoxnev You can call me bourgeois when I own a factory 😕
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nice omar 🟥@whoisomariam
@MSpondee @littlefoxnev This is the broader definition of "proletariat" vs "bourgeoise". Without appreciating this definition, this letter from Engels won't even make any sense. How can a proletariat become "more and more bourgeois"? Aren't they literally definitionally opposed?
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@whoisomariam @littlefoxnev I think there's a lot to discuss about "labor serfs" who are bound by their passport to their nation-state and have rent extracted from them. I just don't think you should confuse the terminology with proletariat and bourgeoisie.
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@MSpondee @littlefoxnev Marx's analysis of industrial capitalist class relations in his time and place was that of the conflict between wage-laborers & capital owners. This is the narrow definition of "proletariat" & "bourgeoise". But the history of *all* society is the history of class struggle.
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@whoisomariam @littlefoxnev If the design of the means of production is increasingly happening overseas then administration is increasingly being decentralized away right the town. That being said, the divide is still very much real right now.
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@whoisomariam @littlefoxnev Since the 70s or so, the capitalists have been offshoring the most labor intensive work to the periphery and intensifying the town country contradiction in some ways. But for a while now and especially since COVID, they've been offshoring administrative work like software.
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