John Haley

@nobleisawinner Seems unfair to billions who had never heard of the dude!

What would you say ?

@JackSlaterPT @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus This is a prominent question in philosophy without a clear consensus. Being unable to answer it doesn’t bother me, as it proves useful and its original doesn’t impact its use.

@ScarecrowMD @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus Without human codification, do those laws exist?

God is the powerful one who perpetrates most atrocities while the devil is just tempting. God is responsible for all evil, right ⁦@darwintojesus⁩ ? God even says so in the Bible, that he created evil.

@JackSlaterPT @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus Truth and untruth existed. Logic is a codified way of exploring that.

@ScarecrowMD @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus "It has been arrived at by humans through reason" So, before humans ever existed, Logic didnt exist?

@JackSlaterPT @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus It has been arrived at by humans through reason. I don’t know if it was contrived, or sitting there to be uncovered. This is deeper philosophy than I’ve felt the need to ponder, given its usefulness .

@ScarecrowMD @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus Where does this "cognitive tool" comes from? Or is it eternal?

@JackSlaterPT @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus Again, arguing against contradictions has nothing to do with not believing in gods. Contradictions make it hard to know and understand, and difficult to operate. If your God says to kill and not to kill, I cannot know what he wants me to do.

@ScarecrowMD @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus As an atheist, whats wrong in being contradictory?

@JackSlaterPT @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus It’s not useful to be nonsensical (except perhaps for entertainment purposes).

@ScarecrowMD @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus Yes. How does that explain the origins of Logic? Btw, without God, is it wrong to be nonsensical?

@JackSlaterPT @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus Now you’re just making up the content of my worldview.

@ScarecrowMD @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus You have no basis for doing that since in your worldview, there's nothing wrong with saying one thing and doing the opposite.

@JackSlaterPT @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus It doesn’t “come from” anywhere. It is a cognitive tool that sentient beings have found useful to explain their world and to make predictions. Saying God did it adds nothing.

@ScarecrowMD @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus The fact that Logic works doesnt explain its origin. Ad an atheist, how do you explain the existence of IMMATERIAL, absolute and universal concepts like Logic? Logic is used by minds but Logic predates human minds. Where does it come from?

@JackSlaterPT @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus No. There is evidence that if you suspend logic you end up with nonsense.

@ScarecrowMD @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus "And them (or you) seeing them as absolute does not make it so" Just like you seeing Logic as binding to all humans doesnt make it so; its just your opinion

@JackSlaterPT @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus I am criticizing the inconsistency and contradictions in a system described as absolute .

@ScarecrowMD @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus No way for you to criticize them since you have no basis for doing it.

@JackSlaterPT @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus Yup! And you explain God by invoking God. The difference is there is proof that logic exists and works, and no proof that God exists, and a logical argument that a particular god (omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent) cannot exist it the presence of evil.

@ScarecrowMD @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus You explain the origin of Logic by using Logic?

@JackSlaterPT @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus Exactly! And them ( or you) seeing them as absolute does not make it so. Some logic is self evident (non contradiction (an equals b and a does not equal b cannot both be true), and some is more pragmatic where ignoring the rules leads to nonsense.

@ScarecrowMD @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus Its your opinion. They did see them as universal and absolute, just like you see Logic as universal and absolute.

@JackSlaterPT @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus Correct. No God required.

@ScarecrowMD @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus So do all the humans who wrote the Bible.

@JackSlaterPT @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus The same way I explain 2+2=4 without God.

@ScarecrowMD @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus How do you explain the absolute nature of Logic without God?

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@JackSlaterPT @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus I have no problem with that culture adopting their own rules, although I may still disagree with them. I simply don’t see them as universal.

@ScarecrowMD @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus If there is no God, then humans wrote the Bible. What is your problem with what that culture adopted as valid?

@JackSlaterPT @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus I’m sorry, but this question makes no sense to me. Could you elaborate?

@ScarecrowMD @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus "Logic is the same whether you believe in a god or not." Exacly. How do you explain that without God?

@JackSlaterPT @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus As a human I make moral choices and judgements, (or, condemnations, if you prefer). I just happen to be an atheist ( and a male, and a white person, and grey-haired, and 6’2” tall.)

@ScarecrowMD @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus But as an atheist you make moral choices and condemnations. Right?

@JackSlaterPT @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus One says don’t kill, and the other says kill. One says don’t steal, and the other says steal, one says no sex outside of marriage, the other says have sex with prisoners. All from the same purportedly inerrant and unchanging entity.

@ScarecrowMD @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus What is the problem with those passages?

@JackSlaterPT @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus There is no atheist worldview. Atheists do not believe in gods. Not your God or anyone else’s. That’s all. Full stop. Logic is the same whether you believe in a god or not.

@ScarecrowMD @Askwhyisit @darwintojesus Really? How Are the laws of Logic explained within the atheist worldview?