@VtuberConsult There's a link to the website for both please make sure you read & follow what it actually does and the updates from them directly.
nightshade.cs.uchicago.edu/whatis.html
glaze.cs.uchicago.edu
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@VtuberConsult I would rather you actually please read and link the website for both software and not rely on accounts from people who obvious don't know the functions of either.
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Based on X's new Terms of Service and art editing AI update, you should probably keep your artwork off of the platform.
I've seen a number of people suggesting using poison like nightshade, or posting your art as a gif. While it sounds nice, they don't help much if at all.
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@_VtuberHub_ @VtuberConsult @serafufu That's because glaze & nightshade don't focus on img2img which the edit image is.
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@VtuberConsult @serafufu I already found posts of people testing nightshades and glaze in any combination. Unfortunately, they don't work. The overall edit version of those images kept most of the image structure, so the prevention failed 😞
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@VtuberConsult @_VtuberHub_ @serafufu This is not true by the way they just try to avoid the posioned data at most and that Glaze & Nightshade don't focus on img2img.
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@_VtuberHub_ @serafufu Exactly. Poison doesn't work right now for a number of reasons. They were built to target weaknesses in old AI models that aren't really applicable anymore. And even if they were it is fairly easy to get rid of the poison effect.
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@laymansnest @Draw0Distance @IsThisA3DModel @senile_Kretin Not to mention this disclaimer was put in after they were disqualifed and before then wasn't transparent on their AI use until very recent.
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@laymansnest @Draw0Distance @IsThisA3DModel @senile_Kretin The "first time studio" is made up of experienced devlopers that worked at bigger companies. Not to mention it's still a dumb thing to use it for place holder images on top of your game as a experiment especially if you didn't know any context of Gen AI at the time.
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"We like this game so we'll let it pass this time."
"We'll trust them" on what basis"
they've set a precedent that they've actually used gen ai textures.
This spineless behavior will just encourage these companies to use gen-ai more and hide it.
Is this a 3D model?@IsThisA3DModel
Regarding Clair Obscur - We believe sometimes we have to pick our battles. A few placeholder assets that were immediately patched out does not make an entire game AI slop. Our account is about recognizing, appreciating and highlighting the strengths of human creativity. If a game is 99.99% a human crafted labor of love, we do not believe 0.01% of GenAI (if it even qualifies as that much) is worth slandering the entire game over. Doing that gives permission to AI Boosters to do what they do best - take credit for things they had no hand in. They now take a game that was 99.99% a human crafted labor of love and say "Look at the power of GenAI to make these incredible games possible" when it had no meaningful impact at all. Obviously we would all always prefer it wasn't used, and the internet is not a place that handles nuance well. But please keep this in mind for the future. We do not believe in witch hunts or hate directed at the hard work of artists or developers.🫖
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@Bubbles_Piscine @IsThisA3DModel @senile_Kretin That's wrong on both fronts. Just because they calimed hire more concept artist doesn't change what they are trying to do. And also maybe we shouldn't excuse a game just because some place holder textures happened to be left out.
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@IsThisA3DModel @senile_Kretin You have taken the right approach.
We need to keep the heat for the companies who peddle slop, E33 was a labor of love, and Larian also hires more concept artists relative to their team size than almost any studio, their work is purely theirs.
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@moviefactoryger @IsThisA3DModel @senile_Kretin Outside of that they lied about on the submission page and hadn't been transparent about until just recently.
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@moviefactoryger @IsThisA3DModel @senile_Kretin We don't fully know it if it was that only texture in the game right now unless someone actually cracked open on the game and look though the textures. They can easily be more leftover that wasn't highlighted.
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@laymansnest @Draw0Distance @IsThisA3DModel @senile_Kretin Yea and it was largely kept there until the last minuite and the fact they thought it was good idea in the first place. Please realize they hadn't been transparent about it overall.
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@Draw0Distance @IsThisA3DModel @senile_Kretin Yeah in 2022 everyone was seeing what a new technology could do and an interactive company probably toggled with it. Wild ass revelation
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games reputation is unfortunately tarnished forever because dumbasses don't care to find out the truth.
ggs.
Is this a 3D model?@IsThisA3DModel
Regarding Clair Obscur - We believe sometimes we have to pick our battles. A few placeholder assets that were immediately patched out does not make an entire game AI slop. Our account is about recognizing, appreciating and highlighting the strengths of human creativity. If a game is 99.99% a human crafted labor of love, we do not believe 0.01% of GenAI (if it even qualifies as that much) is worth slandering the entire game over. Doing that gives permission to AI Boosters to do what they do best - take credit for things they had no hand in. They now take a game that was 99.99% a human crafted labor of love and say "Look at the power of GenAI to make these incredible games possible" when it had no meaningful impact at all. Obviously we would all always prefer it wasn't used, and the internet is not a place that handles nuance well. But please keep this in mind for the future. We do not believe in witch hunts or hate directed at the hard work of artists or developers.🫖
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@x_scytherage_x They literally lied to them in the submission process. Are you out of your mind ?
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If the Indie Game Awards wants to reduce nuance in the awarding process, they'll just lose respect from everyone
Is this a 3D model?@IsThisA3DModel
Regarding Clair Obscur - We believe sometimes we have to pick our battles. A few placeholder assets that were immediately patched out does not make an entire game AI slop. Our account is about recognizing, appreciating and highlighting the strengths of human creativity. If a game is 99.99% a human crafted labor of love, we do not believe 0.01% of GenAI (if it even qualifies as that much) is worth slandering the entire game over. Doing that gives permission to AI Boosters to do what they do best - take credit for things they had no hand in. They now take a game that was 99.99% a human crafted labor of love and say "Look at the power of GenAI to make these incredible games possible" when it had no meaningful impact at all. Obviously we would all always prefer it wasn't used, and the internet is not a place that handles nuance well. But please keep this in mind for the future. We do not believe in witch hunts or hate directed at the hard work of artists or developers.🫖
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@IsThisA3DModel I ain't trusting them on anything reguardless if it's by mistake or not considering we don't fully know how much is still left. Maybe don't use Gen AI for tempory textures next time.
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@IsThisA3DModel That I disagree considering how they obviously still claimed the final game uses no Gen AI but still somehow kept the place holder textures it in there until the last minuite and bits of still there until patch out later when people found out.
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Regarding Clair Obscur - We believe sometimes we have to pick our battles. A few placeholder assets that were immediately patched out does not make an entire game AI slop.
Our account is about recognizing, appreciating and highlighting the strengths of human creativity. If a game is 99.99% a human crafted labor of love, we do not believe 0.01% of GenAI (if it even qualifies as that much) is worth slandering the entire game over.
Doing that gives permission to AI Boosters to do what they do best - take credit for things they had no hand in. They now take a game that was 99.99% a human crafted labor of love and say "Look at the power of GenAI to make these incredible games possible" when it had no meaningful impact at all.
Obviously we would all always prefer it wasn't used, and the internet is not a place that handles nuance well. But please keep this in mind for the future. We do not believe in witch hunts or hate directed at the hard work of artists or developers.🫖
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@kortizart @Genki_JPN He's literally talking about using LLM models as NPC
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Hideo Kojima says he is not interested in using AI for game visuals. He is more interested in using AI for enemies to improve gameplay depth!
“Rather than having AI create visuals or anything like that, I’m more interested in using AI in the control systems.”
“For example, if you have 100 players, each of them will have their own habits and tendencies, their sense of control, how they move — all of that differs from person to person.
“By having AI compensate for those differences, the gameplay can gain more depth. And in most games, the enemies don’t behave very much like real humans. But by using AI, enemy behavior could change based on the player’s experience, actions and patterns. That kind of dynamic response would make much deeper gameplay possible.”
edition.cnn.com/2025/12/12/sty…
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@J3rryH0well @Genki_JPN If thats the case then that fuckin sucks ☠️
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@arvalis @MutantHeadcrab @nonobi14 @ValephoreVT Also not to mention no direct names of works or projects they worked on. Not even like example works posted.
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@MutantHeadcrab @nonobi14 @ValephoreVT Definitely the quality of skill you expect from someone calling themself a concept artist lmao
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Follow-up on this (and possibly the last time I will talk about this topic in this space);
I've kept MOST of my own opinions out of the original post but ppl love putting words in my mouth so I will speak for myself here.
AI is a tool, we've been using them for awhile now. If you google'd stuffs, you are already using it. Heck, this app is ran by AI algorithms. I'm NOT against AI as a tool.
The problem lies in Generative AI and its development. It is exploitative and predatory in how it trained on stolen artworks made by real artists. I am AGAINST genAI especially when it's being marketed as replacement for REAL human artists.
I made the original post in defense of Larian Studio because I believe that the announcement they made, were made with goodwill and an attempt at being transparent since they are using genAI, a tool with unethical development. (I believe many at Larian Studio voiced their concerns themselves)
The nuances here is outlined in my original post, explaining how pre-production mood boards are created and how "inconsequential" the process is in terms of intellectual properties transfer whereas artists at Larian are real and the final products will be their talents and efforts and NOT the genAI
You could say they are trying to use an evil tool in a good way which is more than any other studios have done who are PROBABLY all using the very same tools and have been been for awhile now with 0 transparency.
- As for my credentials, since a lot of people asked for it or claimed I'm just lying cos I don't ... make my own vtuber assets?
All I'll say is I don't draw anime styled art for a job, so I commissioned other AMAZING human artists for it (Go check them out if you aren't still seething over my take and associating my incredible art assets with me as a person)
My concept art works are borderline hyperrealism in style; I draw fictional anatomy (personal expertise), creature designs and body horror. I've been a part of multiple projects in the past 5 years; 2 major releases (One of which won awards), 3 minor projects (mobile games) and a dead mmo (whose devs actually replaced my work with genAI 2 years later and replaced my name in the credits)
You don't have to believe me, I'm just sharing my experiences on the internet. I will however, keep to my anonymity and keep my professional work life separated from my online persona as a silly Vtuber
Valephore 🌙♦️@ValephoreVT
Concept Artist here, the "AI hate" directed at Larian Studio is 100% ignorant and bad faith virtue-signaling. Artists are NOT against AI usage as a tool, we're against Generative AI that was trained on real artworks and mass-produced "slops" that imitated our hard work and then marketed as our replacement. In pre-production, the art team would grab random pics off the internet and other games to create a general mood board for aesthetics and "vibe" that fit the art direction (There are more nuances than this, I'm describing this in the most simplified way possible) A mood board of a character may include several pictures of other videogames or anime shows, dozens of object with "texture references" for parts of their attire, multiple reference pictures of relevant objects such as animals or historical weapons or even other character artwork made for other games; ALL of which are randomly drawn from the internet and put together for the purpose of creating an overall aesthetic for a design that will become original in its own way inspired by its references and the artist's own creativity and originality to visualize it when they create the design by doing ART. Larian Studio mentioned using AI to streamline this process; an actively menial labor of "looking for relavant and cool pics on the internet" in essence. There is zero reason why AI speeding up this process is a bad thing; it is essentially the same as someone asking Grok for facts they could have spent a few hours reading through Wikipedia pages. None of the pictures grabbed by either the AI or the art team in this process are being exploited for any monetary gain since they're simply inspiration and visual direction, this has been standard practice in the industry for decades.
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I stand by what I said in the original post, if you came here to tell me why I'm a horrible person for sounding like I'm defending genAI, you are exactly the bad faith virtue-signaling type I called out originally.
Please use some critical reading skill
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@Josanart So... The human will take AI bullshit in a shitty mood board and be able to make something new and interesting? 😱😱😱😱😱
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I've used AI from Pinterest in mood boards to help me do concept art for character designs in conjunction with irl proportions from animals. You're allowed to do this. I get AI hate, but you can use it ethically for your art and not have some goober screech about goalposts.
Nicholas Kole@FromHappyRock
@shoomlah So from the depths of my heart and with my full two decades of lived experiences doing this for a living: fuck generative ai. Fuck GenAI in moodboards. Fuck GenAI in concepts and in placeholders, and in the mouths of middle managers and the hands of hacks who’ve given up.
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