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@NJPxyz @BillArnoldTeach @Truth_matters20 If the queen mother analogy were meant to teach prayer to Mary, the apostles would have taught Christians to pray to her. They never did.
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@HardProgrammer @BillArnoldTeach @Truth_matters20 Within the Scriptures we are given the example of how a King’s subjects interact with the Queen Mother — they petition her and she petitions her Son.
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@NJPxyz @BillArnoldTeach @Truth_matters20 The New Testament shows a different pattern: we are told to approach the throne of grace with confidence through Christ, not through the queen mother.
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@NJPxyz @BillArnoldTeach @Truth_matters20 Court intercession is not the same as prayer. Prayer is directed to God. Court petitions were directed to living people in a royal court, not to someone in heaven.
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@NJPxyz @BillArnoldTeach @Truth_matters20 Calling something a Protestant novelty does not make it untrue. The real question is simple: where in Scripture are we told to pray to Mary?
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@HardProgrammer @BillArnoldTeach @Truth_matters20 Your understanding of what we owe to God sounds more like a Protestant novelty than the Word of God. But then… you don’t know our mother so how could you love her? May Christ enlighten your heart.
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@rosenlogic @BillArnoldTeach @Truth_matters20 Saying yes to God does not make someone a participant in redemption. Otherwise every prophet would be part of our salvation.
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@HardProgrammer @BillArnoldTeach @Truth_matters20 Salvation required the cross. The cross required Jesus as human. Human Jesus required the incarnation. The incarnation required a holy mother.
Seemingly tangential but related question, do you think you would have said “yes” to God where Adam said “no”?
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@rosenlogic @BillArnoldTeach @Truth_matters20 The comparison with Adam actually proves the opposite. Adam’s disobedience brought sin. Christ’s obedience brought salvation. Scripture compares Adam and Christ, not Eve and Mary, as the ones tied to salvation.
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@rosenlogic @BillArnoldTeach @Truth_matters20 God could have used many ways to bring the Messiah, but Scripture never says Mary participates in redemption, mediation, or salvation.
The incarnation required a mother. Salvation required a cross.
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@HardProgrammer @BillArnoldTeach @Truth_matters20 Nice try. A whim could've taken them to Bethlehem.
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@rosenlogic @BillArnoldTeach @Truth_matters20 If that logic holds, then Caesar Augustus also contributed to our salvation because his census brought them to Bethlehem.
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@HardProgrammer @BillArnoldTeach @Truth_matters20 "Sure, he wouldn't have been able to save us if it weren't for her, but she had nothing to do with it!" 🤡
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@rosenlogic @BillArnoldTeach @Truth_matters20 The incarnation is necessary for salvation, but that does not mean Mary has a role in salvation. She was the vessel of the incarnation, not a participant in the atonement.
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@HardProgrammer @BillArnoldTeach @Truth_matters20 Uhhh… you don’t think the incarnation is integrally tied to salvation?
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@NJPxyz @BillArnoldTeach @Truth_matters20 Respecting Mary is biblical. Praying to Mary is tradition, not Scripture.
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@HardProgrammer @BillArnoldTeach @Truth_matters20 We don’t offer sacrifice to the Blessed Virgin Mary. Worship (sacrifice) is reserved for God alone. We venerate her. We pray to her. She prays for us and mothers us as she mothers Our Lord. Disparaging her is an affront to God the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. Don’t.
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@BillArnoldTeach @Truth_matters20 Mother of my Lord describes her role in the incarnation, not a role in salvation, mediation, or worship.
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@Truth_matters20 You call it idolatry.
Scripture calls her
“the mother of my Lord.”
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