@concreteproof7@milevenml@ohmybyler Mike and El have apologized to each other countless times
Again, Mike was forced into a corner by Hopper in S3, and El literally explained her reasoning in S4
@concreteproof7@milevenml@ohmybyler 1) In S3 he kept begging Mike to play DND, tried to force a campaign that Mike and Lucas weren’t into, then cried when they wouldn’t play with him and Mike insulted him
2) Will mainly found strength in self-acceptance after Robin told him he shouldn’t put his self worth in Mike
@DocRobeat9@milevenml@ohmybyler Will is not needy towards mikes attention at all. And loving mike doesnt cause him pain, he finds strength in his love for mike which is one of the ways he saves mike from the demo
@concreteproof7@milevenml@ohmybyler And Mike apologized for behavior the next day
Life ain’t all blowjobs and rainbows
Couples argue every once in a while
@milevenml@DocRobeat9@ohmybyler He said she was being ridiculous when her feelings were completely valid. Even before that he was being insensitive towards her by saying that angela didnt look fine when she was clearly upset about it
@concreteproof7@milevenml@ohmybyler He was still aggressive, constantly yelling and angry in S3
It ain’t even me saying he’s like Lonnie, Murray literally calls Hopper a brute who reminds Joyce of Lonnie
@DocRobeat9@milevenml@ohmybyler I dont like hopper at all and i think boyce was better but hopper is nothing like lonnie. Lonnie was a abusive homophobic asshole which hopper isnt and it doesnt take a genius to understand that
@concreteproof7@milevenml@ohmybyler He never meant it was because of her powers, El felt she only had worth because of her powers
Mike later says he loves her because of who she IS, and she’s his superhero regardless
@DocRobeat9@milevenml@ohmybyler He says the reason shes the most incredible person is bc she used to be a superhero, not bc shes nice or caring, but bc she had superpowers
@concreteproof7@milevenml@ohmybyler By your same logic Jopper is toxic because Murray literally points out that Hopper’s aggressive behavior is similar to Lonnie
@concreteproof7@milevenml@ohmybyler Using a word doesn’t make a couple “toxic”
After Mike says this, he tries to comfort El and tells her she should know that he thinks she’s the most incredible person in the world
Ted just Fs off and plays golf
@concreteproof7@milevenml@ohmybyler It doesn’t tear down El down at all, we literally see El find strength within Mike at the end of S4, and no, Mike wasn’t pressured into saying it, no one told him “Mike tell El you love her”
Will’s neediness for Mike’s attention only causes him pain, yet you still ship Byler
@milevenml@DocRobeat9@ohmybyler Mileven itself tears down el. She was having a mental breakdown begging her bf to show her love and he didnt even do that, and after that he only said it bc she was dying. Not bc he wanted to but bc he felt pressured to
@DocRobeat9@milevenml@ohmybyler I think its very interesting that when it comes u will u can pick up on implication that hes in love with mike based on his actions emotions but when it comes to implications made that mileven might not be as perfect as u think it is, u completely ignore it
@DocRobeat9@milevenml@ohmybyler Still, her phrase is literally “friends dont lie” and then she lies to her bf. Mike isnt completely innocent either considering he also lied to her in s3. Yk who also had a lying problem, jancy who broke up bc they didnt properly understand one another.
@concreteproof7@milevenml@ohmybyler He literally told her to take a break and try again later. Hurrying her would be Mike telling her to immediately keep trying regardless of tired she was
@concreteproof7@milevenml@ohmybyler My dude, you don’t give a crap about “how they treat their female characters”, you’re just mad Mike canonically only has mutual feelings for Eleven, while Will’s sad one-sided crush was never reciprocated
Move on, let it go, Will did
@milevenml@DocRobeat9@ohmybyler That scene is a fucking joke bc it just shows how little the duffers care about their female characters. Also i didnt hate on any characters, i simply pointed out flaws that u refuse to acknowledge
@concreteproof7@milevenml@ohmybyler Keep in mind, El hadn’t lied to Mike prior to S4 either (unless you count messing up their compasses)
It’s painfully obvious Will is on the verge of tears and made up the lie on a WHIM, but Mike doesn’t care, he’s just thinking about El, never mind Will CRYING next to him
@DocRobeat9@milevenml@ohmybyler Mike had no reason to doubt will bc will has never lied to him before. Unlike el who lied to him for 6 months and then didn’t come clean about lying or apologize for it
@concreteproof7@milevenml@ohmybyler You act like El wanted to give up, she clearly wants to help Will and is frustrated she can’t, so Mike is pretty much telling her to talk a break and regain her strength, then try later
It’s not like Mike was hurrying her
@DocRobeat9@milevenml@ohmybyler No tf he doesnt. She told him that she couldnt find him and mike said that she should just recharge her battery and try again.