@Airwarrior_king@HakuGilSimp@Tipsall001 The funny thing is that I haven't even argued Alien X this entire time.
My original point was that Ben doesn't need Alien X. You immediately started arguing against Alien X, then brought up manga panels, then DBS cosmology.
@Blaskvepr@sleptlight@Animeeverse_ The examples you're using mostly show that the Kage aren't as fast as Ay. They don't necessarily prove that all of them lose to FKS Sasuke in a one-on-one.
@Blaskvepr@sleptlight@Animeeverse_ Also, we've already agreed that Sasuke was weakened during parts of the Summit. The point I'm discussing isn't whether he was weakened. It's whether that automatically means every difficult Kage matchup becomes a guaranteed Sasuke victory.
@Blaskvepr@sleptlight@Animeeverse_ I already agreed with that. The part we're discussing is whether that means we should ignore the fact that he still required outside intervention.
@ThatNeoSquare@firstenthropy I mean to say, I will wait until we see Saitama actually fight completely loose and without restriction I won't count him in these discussions
@FlowingWithP@firstenthropy No way bro just literally said Satiama has 'no limits' and then says Goku slams Satiama with a straight face . Satiama just adapts and wins with one punch, literally.
@Blaskvepr@sleptlight@Animeeverse_ How are you determining that Ay is the only Kage capable of reacting to Amaterasu? What feat are you using for Gaara, Mei, and especially Onoki?
@Blaskvepr@sleptlight@Animeeverse_ I agree Sasuke was weakened against Mei due to MS overuse. That's a valid point. However, that doesn't change the fact that the actual outcome of the encounter still involved outside intervention. Those are two separate observations.
@Airwarrior_king@HakuGilSimp@Tipsall001 So no, this isn't me downplaying Goku. It's me questioning the claim that Kid Goku somehow beats characters that many later versions of Goku would have a much more interesting debate against.
@Airwarrior_king@HakuGilSimp@Tipsall001 Goku's growth is one of the best parts of Dragon Ball. Kid Goku, Saiyan Saga Goku, Buu Saga Goku, DBS Goku are versions of the character at different stages. They have vastly different levels of power and different accomplishments.