Rendern5000

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Rendern5000

Rendern5000

@rendern5000

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Rendern5000@rendern5000·
@GTXTrainPower @currydtx Except, there is no risk to your personal safety attached. Funny how that works. Again, helping others is only required and a moral duty, if it does not endanger yourself. If you think otherwise, you are either being hypocritical or a murderer by your own admission
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BritannianSpirit@GTXTrainPower·
@rendern5000 @currydtx Let's say, we're both at the scene of a crime. I make attempt to help the person, but fail. You do nothing, when your help would have saved their life. In this instance, you are complicit with the death. I am not. That is why you are more of the killer, than I am.
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Rendern5000@rendern5000·
@GTXTrainPower @currydtx ? Just tell me, why in your own worldview you have thus far argued with, you would not be considered a murderer.
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BritannianSpirit@GTXTrainPower·
@rendern5000 @currydtx Holy copium. Someone else I talked to, admitted they would vote red only because they're selfish and don't care for others. Be like them. People would respect your opinion more if you just said it as it is.
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Rendern5000@rendern5000·
@GTXTrainPower @currydtx Bruh, what? The danger is inherent to the buttons. If you get on a sinking boat, that only may be kept afloat if enough people also get on it to help, people are welcome to refuse. Everyone has the same two damned buttons.
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BritannianSpirit@GTXTrainPower·
@rendern5000 @currydtx Yet the only reason it endangers anyone, is because red voters exist? If you were a fire fighter and needed multiple people to work the hose, would it then not be negligent if you refused bc youre only one individual?
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Rendern5000@rendern5000·
@GTXTrainPower @currydtx So again, as long as you are not living ascetically, and use your efforts purely to help others, you are by your own admission a murderer, since you chose not to act.
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Rendern5000@rendern5000·
@GTXTrainPower @currydtx ? Bruh. You could do much more by doing away with some comfort. Yet you choose not to do so. And then I have to believe that when it comes down to it, you would risk your life? Yeah, right. Do you maybe suffer from delusions? Or where does all that "self aggrandising scheme" from
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Rendern5000@rendern5000·
@GTXTrainPower @currydtx Bruh, fucking read the laws before you talk about them. It very specfically states everywhere that has such a law, that you do not have to do so, if it would endanger yourself or others.
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BritannianSpirit@GTXTrainPower·
@rendern5000 @currydtx Its a voluntary failure to act. While it would not occur due to the nature of the question, if it was a recorded lesser instance; Yes, it would apply. Use critical thinking here, I beg. Your side is already clowned on so much, you don't need to add to it.
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Rendern5000@rendern5000·
@GTXTrainPower @currydtx No, but you can most certainly help some. And if you even spend a little of time arguing with strangers over the internet instead of helping people, you are hypocritical and by your own worldview a murderer. Funny how that works out
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BritannianSpirit@GTXTrainPower·
@rendern5000 @currydtx Ah yes because I, one person, can cut back enough to feed the starving masses by my lonesome. Am I a secret billionaire? I volunteer and donate where I can. If the people in charge did the same, I would not need to at all. The government would be blue in this, easier results.
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Rendern5000@rendern5000·
@GTXTrainPower @currydtx If you read the actual law, you would find that it does not apply here, since you are never required to risk your own life… reading…
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BritannianSpirit@GTXTrainPower·
@rendern5000 @currydtx Its funny how you say that, yet criminal law still charges failure to act (Guilty by omission can still end up with consequences). Because it is actively hurting. But you clearly just don't want to admit you'd be the bad guy, morally, and lawfully in this case.
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Rendern5000@rendern5000·
@GTXTrainPower @currydtx No? Like.. words have meanings. If you just make shit up what words are supposed to mean, then one cannot hold a meaningful conversation with you. "Actively hurting" is not the same as inaction.
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BritannianSpirit@GTXTrainPower·
@rendern5000 @currydtx Bystander syndrome - Same way so many people don't act when they see something terrible happen. This is a self admission to calling yourself a malicious coward btw.
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Rendern5000@rendern5000·
@GTXTrainPower @currydtx You absolutely have the power, if you decided to cut back on your own non essential wants, to save a multitude of people. It is the same as with the button, but actually even easier, since you aren't even risking your own life.
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BritannianSpirit@GTXTrainPower·
@rendern5000 @currydtx In this case, we the people do not have as much power, as with the button. But if we did - Yes, absolutely, choosing not to provide for people, is killing them. If youre stranded on an island and hog the food you dont need, from others, letting them starve. YOU'RE the bad guy lol
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Rendern5000@rendern5000·
@GTXTrainPower @currydtx Delusional. You can make the argument that society is not providing for everyone, without saying 'everyone, me included, is a murderer'. If you really think so though, do try to sue yourself for murder in a court of law, by arguing this.
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BritannianSpirit@GTXTrainPower·
@rendern5000 @currydtx Yes, the answer is yes. Us as a society not dedicating resources is quietly literally textbook greed and hurting them actively lmfao.
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BritannianSpirit@GTXTrainPower·
@rendern5000 @currydtx Both are actively hurting the chances of survival. You dont 'do nothing' by pressing red. You choose 'dont help my fellow man' which is actively hurting. Both analogies work fine lmao. Guilty by omission is still guilty bucko.
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Rendern5000@rendern5000·
@GTXTrainPower @currydtx Just to really showcase the difference: Are you actively killing people in africa, by not choosing to do away with your own non-basic needs, and using that time and money to help them instead?
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Rendern5000@rendern5000·
@GTXTrainPower @currydtx Not really, no. Setting fire = actively hurting. Not helping push the boat = not actively helping. There is a big difference. Again, sabotaging is something you do actively; choosing not to pick the same side is not the same as sabotaging.
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Rendern5000@rendern5000·
@J_D_Palma @esjesjesj Please educate yourself on game theory and statistics. I am saying I want to minimize the number of deaths. As in, keep the expected number of deaths as low as possible. That does not mean choosing an overall worse option because it has the potential to save more in a niche sit.
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David Palma
David Palma@J_D_Palma·
@rendern5000 @esjesjesj Bro, there's just no realm of existence where 100% of people pick either side. So in order to prevent ANY deaths, the "safer" pick is blue. Especially when the "work" it takes to prevent death, is as easy as pressing a button. I think most people would press blue.
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Rendern5000@rendern5000·
@J_D_Palma @esjesjesj Game theory; We have N participants. M vote blue, so N-M vote red. The red votes each save themselves, saving 1 life per vote. The blue votes save M people under the condition that M>N/2. Which means 1 blue vote saves either 1 life or 0, depending on if the condition is met.
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Rendern5000@rendern5000·
@GTXTrainPower @currydtx No, the red boat may not potentially set them on fire; the fact that there are not enough people to push the boat off the island would be the way to phrase that <50% means death for the blue boat. Like.. where do you even get the "red sets fire to them" from?
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BritannianSpirit@GTXTrainPower·
@rendern5000 @currydtx Is this your actual take? The real question would be more akin to, the blue boat being automatic, but needs 51% of the island to help push it off. But, the red boat may potentially set them on fire, and needs 100% of the island in complete unity to achieve the same result.
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Rendern5000@rendern5000·
@Traffy23 @esjesjesj I am not arguing against working together. I am simply arguing that currently (not going to the capitalism debate) I do not think it is realistic that a blue victory is likely enough to change from red to blue.
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Suprebno
Suprebno@Traffy23·
@rendern5000 @esjesjesj We as a society have succeeded because of collectivism. It's only in the modern era that capitalism has pushed us to be more individualistic and desensitising to others.
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Suprebno
Suprebno@Traffy23·
@rendern5000 @esjesjesj In America oh hell nah. The amount of religious zealots I've seen on here with loving Christian choosing red when Jesus would choose blue. But the world isn't America.
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