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Hunter
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I don’t see how one can mock converting (reverting) that does not also imply ridicule or contempt for Islam and the entirety of the ummah worldwide.
Liam 🇵🇸@Hezbolsonaro
Latest DSA darling candidate is an adult convert to Islam
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@idealpolitic @aniiTweets @B80748543 Nah, do whatever you want in your own time. I just think misanthropes who obsess over religion should be kept far away from any serious political organizing, particularly those who mock the faith that currently disproportionately makes up anti-imperialist resistance.
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@FutureExCon @aniiTweets @B80748543 we’re inching closer and closer to the conditions under which one is allowed to criticize adult converts 🔥🔥🔥 thanks hunter for moving the goalpost i mean adding additional nuance. you should make a zine about when this kinda thing is appropriate!
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@B80748543 @aniiTweets I wonder what happened to those people who tried to syncretize Islam and Marxism in the past hundred years 🤔
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@idealpolitic @aniiTweets @B80748543 The Catholic Church is incredibly hierarchical with the pope defining doctrine (and contradicting Vance almost daily lol). In contrast, Sunni Islam is rather decentralized with interpretations varying widely. yw
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@FutureExCon @aniiTweets @B80748543 ok cool so we can mock adult converts only if they’re hypocrites who violate their faith’s tenets? got it. doesn’t the DSA candidate fit that perfectly? DSA politics clash hard with core Islamic teachings on LGBT, abortion, why the special shield for her but open season on Vance?
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@CredenceClearoj There’s gotta be a better use of your time out there, brother. Ironically, I’ll be praying for you lol.
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@FutureExCon DAC was born in Florida. Also, please don't shit on the one thing that carried me through hardships. x.com/FutureExCon/st…
Hunter@FutureExCon
All sports fandom is performative, you dorks.
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“Workers of the world, unite! [once we’ve finished shitting on your most deeply held beliefs that carried you through hardships we in the imperial core could never imagine]”
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It's important to remember that Marx stated Religion is the opiate of the masses and it can and will distract from class solidarity. But what many leftists don't remember is that Marx then added "appart from Islam which should never be examined critically"
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@anitamaxxing @i_am_laith Regardless of the date of her conversion, or your psychoanalysis of her motives behind protesting, she has a personal history of activism/altruism wrt Palestine long before her pol career. You’re right, she may go the AOC route, but as of now, she’s infinitely better.
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@FutureExCon @i_am_laith no she converted after oct 7th. i do hope she winds up being an effective congressperson but there's no denying she's a moronic egomaniac who wanted to make the genocide about herself.
basically just a mirror image brianna wu lmao
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@fencing_prog Sure, you can. And the OP is doing anything but that.
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@FutureExCon You can critique Islam and its regressiveness and not hate Muslims
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@hyttenhoof Never said it was equivalent. But you calling their faith ridiculous so callously and openly is exactly what I’m talking about.
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@FutureExCon I don't see how you can't see that. I can mock something someone does without having contempt for them, and the false equivalence of being born in a culture doing something ridiculous and doing something ridiculous without coercion is just that, false.
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@anitamaxxing @i_am_laith An adult woman - who converted 8 yrs ago, who visited and taught in Palestine well before said conversion, and who refused to qualify or rescind her calls to ending the genocide - succeeding is “bad actually.” Some of youse are just allergic to winning.
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@i_am_laith @FutureExCon a grown adult converting to islam because they want to insert themself into narratives about the gaza genocide is weird & bad actually
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@AdemsanArifi Invoking reason in a discussion of faith totally ignores the function of the latter to begin with lol. Anyway, that’s besides what my main point is, which is that mocking religion in the context of organizing is likely only to push people away from your program/movement.
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@FutureExCon It works precisely because it's a dead religion that nobody would take seriously if the only criterion for believing stuff was reason. The analogy shows that whoever converts to Islam is not doing it because it is demonstrably reasonable.
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@aniiTweets @B80748543 Yeah, the reason Vance should (and has) been made fun of is because he violates very basic tenets of Catholic social teaching as it has existed for decades.
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@B80748543 @FutureExCon Like we’ve been making fun of JD Vance for years and now suddenly it’s a problem lmfao
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@AdemsanArifi I don’t think a “dead” set of beliefs like Roman myth is a good comparison to Islam, an extant religion that shares much with other Abrahamic religions. Not as crazy of a transition for someone also raised religious. You could’ve came up with a wittier analogy, no?
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@FutureExCon Because believing stuff because you're born into it is kinda understandable. But reading that garbage as an adult and believing it is like reading about Roman mythology and starting to worship Jupiter seriously, which even you will agree is dumb.
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@Hadamijo I’m not suggesting a sui generis defense of Islam. I would defend other religions against (childish) derision as well. The problem that I have with ‘dipshit Catholic converts* is not conversion itself; it’s them violating basic Catholic social teaching in their reactionary ways.
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@FutureExCon Saying revert is so silly.
I have contempt for all religions worldwide. Defending Islam as unique in any way from being a dipshit Catholic adult convert, or the religion in general, is just orientalism.
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@Gunlord500 a political context, it’d be much more fruitful to offer a rigorous, critical look at, say, the spread of Wahhabism in the mid to late 20th century as opposed to ridiculing an anti-genocide candidate who converted to Islam nearly a decade ago (referring to the original post here)
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@Gunlord500 Sure. My point is that I don’t think people should lead with criticisms of religion(s) when trying to organize for a political program. Feels like surefire way to push many people away from any would-be movement. Furthermore, I think if one would like to analyze religion in (1/2)
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@SakakiIsCute Besides, I think almost all Muslim reverts in the U.S. probably have a strong desire for social justice and likely anti-imperialist goals as well. That is, of course, excluding those Midwest loners that up and join Al Qaeda or ISIS lmao
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@SakakiIsCute Agreed on both points. I’d say my main point of all of this is that anyone *actually* serious about advancing a political program should not mock major religions casually. You should be organizing, not alienating.
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@SakakiIsCute Ofc not. Instead it just mocks Islam as well as one of the only congressional candidates who refused to couch anti-imperial rhetoric and WON lmao. Of all the things to clown DSA for, there’s no way that’s even top 50 lmao.
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@FutureExCon Yes, I do not think a single sentence with a Marge Simpson reaction image adds to any real critique of religion as a whole.
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@SakakiIsCute True of Marx, but not of OP. Don’t think his post can be interpreted as anything other than derisive. It certainly doesn’t add to any criticism or analysis of religion as Marx or other great theorists do.
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@FutureExCon This is not what Marx was saying about religion. He wasn't "shitting" on religion, but applying his system of analysis to it. Just because something is useful (as Opium often is for pain) doesn't mean it is true or above criticism.
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