#HealZeal Mints Collateral

@Chuldete @sonnetsideup Why the heck my msgs getting deleted for God's sake

@Chuldete @Lucasar04138772 Anyway, it's 3:15 for me, I oughta get some sleep. Thanks for conversation everyone, it actually helped me clear out some moments for another few hours of thinking abt this situation. I'll remain neutral probably, as it finds out that there's no 'True' point available rn.

@Lucasar04138772 @MintsCollateral I mean, yeah I get it, but also, they don't even leave in the same country. The whole thing would cost a lot of money to get put in court, and even then there are a lot of cases where abusers walk out free.

For some reason I can't respond to you directly as 'author blocked you' thing occurred. Same thing, he got too excited and his little autistic brain did something stupid.

@Chuldete @Lucasar04138772 By the way, I can't help but respect how you're actually answering constructively and without flaw of anger issues as most have. A gem, I should call it.

@Chuldete @Lucasar04138772 And yeah. My mother oftenly watch crime stories and it's really often to see those nasty people go out quite shortly after being sentenced. But Zeal... He just doesn't seem like typical Rapist. A single line he said - is the thing that flipped the whole story.

@Chuldete @Lucasar04138772 Yeah, that is difficult. 3 involved, at the very least. But if Zeal is ready, that means he has something to pull out?

@Chuldete @Lucasar04138772 Game is done for, that's for sure (asset leak) . Zeal would not trust his team after seeing how fast they left him, even through (some of them) knew the true situation. Not it's just about clearing his name from this. That's even more important for a man, than anything.

@Lucasar04138772 @MintsCollateral And that wouldn't actually do anything. He would still has his game and fame and money, the most he could had gotten out of it was a bit of guilt

@Chuldete @Lucasar04138772 That's another shaky moment. We don't know what actually happened. Was there fingers or it was his hair and etc. The whole situation is impossible to solve for the community by their own cuz one would surely sink other one.

@Lucasar04138772 @MintsCollateral Mostly because most of the doc is him blaming her for everything that happened. Put yourself on Ren's shoes: This guy took advantage of you when you were at your lowest, doesn't apologize after you call him out and instead blames you for something that HE did.

@Lucasar04138772 @Chuldete I mean... Yeah. Court at the very least. If she resides on 'public standing up with her' She should remember Johnny Depp situation where he solo'd the whole story even through EVERYONE started hating him.

@Chuldete @MintsCollateral There’s so many more ways Ren could’ve handled this, but she decided on Twitter being the best choice

@Lucasar04138772 @Chuldete Zeal is simply burnt out after those first 24 hours when everyone left him. He's in a hospital and just can not be aggressive or assertive just because he could not respond in time. If only people would just wait a bit for him to, get well...

@MintsCollateral @Chuldete Yeah the fact she tells following the document’s release to “Go fuck yourself” when Zeal who’s life work is ruined should’ve been more angry Yet he’s been trying to carfully understand and acknowledge the controversy

@Chuldete @Lucasar04138772 Fair point.

@MintsCollateral @Lucasar04138772 I mean, she can't control other people, the most she can do is say she doesn't want any harrasment

@Chuldete @Lucasar04138772 Man it's so trippy ahhhhhhhhh... :Head_smash: If only she did asked him if: 'he would leave her?' - all of that might've took different turn. Such little detail is missing, but it's the key to the puzzle.

@Lucasar04138772 @MintsCollateral Sorry if I'm mistaken, but didn't he said that after Ren had to talk to him about consent? While Ren did say it was it was "fine", she only said it because again, she was scared of losing Zeal (For something he initiated in the first place)

@Chuldete @Lucasar04138772 Oh, while I remember. I don't get it, why she goes: I don't want him to do 'act' But she doesn't regulate or smh stop her protectors from wishing him death and all the stuff as well.

@Chuldete @Lucasar04138772 I hope she would actually do it correctly without bringing too much difference and will just remove completely irrelevant information.

@Chuldete @Lucasar04138772 Maybe he tried to sound nonchalant about that XD? But seriously. The way he 'shrugs it off' with this choice of words, really sounds like he tried to be nonchalant but was actually really-really ashamed/embarrassed of it.

@MintsCollateral @Lucasar04138772 He did mention it in his doc as it being "embarrassment" for being rejected, but I don't know if I believe him since if he was actually embarrassed, the more logical option would be a "Oh, I'm sorry I did that"

@Chuldete @Lucasar04138772 No, I finally state it. I'm not neutral, I'm against *most radical* Ren's protectors, but not Ren, as they're the reason Zeal has to suffer right now because those won't take in account anything he bring.

@Chuldete @Lucasar04138772 Man, I just want it all to end. Especially for Zeal to finally get a break from hate. It's not about Pressure anymore on my point, I'm just being empathetic to silly little autistic Zeal but I actually like Ren's work.

@Chuldete @Lucasar04138772 Personally I, don't think that after getting along, Zeal would drop her. Even through being emotional about the refuse, he would probably just wait for a second opportunity and try until she would naturally agree or even ask for it herself. (Good ending)

@MintsCollateral @Lucasar04138772 That was mostly because of the fear of losing Zeal, and the advices on how to do it better next time were probably because she didn't want to yell "IT HURTS" again.

@Chuldete @Lucasar04138772 That includes their attempt at relationship. Kat refused to Ren, which caused Ren to feel disgust around Kat. That shown a bad side of Ren and I believe that it's not the only case in developer's ground out there.

@Chuldete @Lucasar04138772 The whole situation itself reminds me of Johnny Depp situation, the subject have changed but the results look the same for now. As example, Kat with his doc, to clean himself, gave out important information about Ren.