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How to be saved, Catholicism vs. what the bible actually says

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@EschatologyFB @gayla_jo @TheNewM60634676 @Coach__AT @Lil_BucCoach Obey the gospel. 2 Thessalonians 1:8   In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

@objectaaron @gayla_jo @TheNewM60634676 @Coach__AT @Lil_BucCoach At this point, we’re going in circles, as I’ve addressed each point, although you claim I haven’t. No need to continue.

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@objectaaron @gayla_jo @TheNewM60634676 @Coach__AT @Lil_BucCoach Your issue is the wording of 1 Peter 3:20-21. I don’t know what to tell you, buddy. Take it up with Peter.

@EschatologyFB @gayla_jo @TheNewM60634676 @Coach__AT @Lil_BucCoach The moment you believe you are regenerated because God gives the free gift of eternal life. That is the baptism of the spirit. x.com/objectaaron/st…

@objectaaron @gayla_jo @TheNewM60634676 @Coach__AT @Lil_BucCoach No, you did not. You made an argument about the second part of that verse, which I refuted. You did not address the first part, unless I missed a comment.

@EschatologyFB @gayla_jo @TheNewM60634676 @Coach__AT @Lil_BucCoach x.com/objectaaron/st…

@EschatologyFB @gayla_jo @TheNewM60634676 @Coach__AT @Lil_BucCoach So there's a flood but you get in a boat, you stay in the boat during the flood. The flood subsides. You get out of the boat. You see your wife, "Hey hon, guess what, you know that flood that just happened? I got in a boat and the WATER saved me." Would that make sense to her?

1 Peter 3:20-21 says that they were saved BY/THROUGH water. The like figure whereunto baptism does also now SAVE US. Which like figure? The water of the flood which saved 8. To reiterate, 8 souls were saved by water. The rest of civilization perished because of the water. Water does also now save us. Of course it’s by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, rather than a wooden ark. But Peter unequivocally said that baptism saves us.

@EschatologyFB @gayla_jo @TheNewM60634676 @Coach__AT @Lil_BucCoach I already told you what that means. You need to demonstrate you understand my position before you actually make an argument.

Nope. When an apostle baptized someone, it was with water. “Go…and baptize”. That you think the apostles have the authority to baptize with the Holy Spirit is what’s silly. See Matt. 3. There would have been no reason for the Lord to mention baptism in Mark 16:16, if the baptism of the Holy Spirit is automatic anyway, and doesn’t involve personal choice. The Lord said baptism saves. Peter reiterated it in Acts 2:38 AND 1 Peter 3:20-21. He who believes and is baptized shall be saved. What does that mean to you?

@EschatologyFB @gayla_jo @TheNewM60634676 @Coach__AT @Lil_BucCoach The full sentence of verse 21 without the parentheses is The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: The immersive water dunking that is baptism LOOKS like death because your submerging yourself but your rise up like whom??

@objectaaron @gayla_jo @TheNewM60634676 @Coach__AT @Lil_BucCoach No, baptism isn’t a figure of Jesus. It’s a figure/archetype of what Peter just described, which is 8 souls being “SAVED BY WATER”. Hello! Earth to Tyndale! Now of course it’s all “by the resurrection of Jesus Christ”. So is belief, repentance, and confession.

@EschatologyFB @gayla_jo @TheNewM60634676 @Coach__AT @Lil_BucCoach >> Again, only the Lord Jesus baptizes with the Holy Spirit. Speaking out of both sides of your mouth now? So when Mark 16:16 uses the word "baptized" it means BOTH water dunking and of the spirit? That wasn't your position earlier today.

Maybe. Or they drip-dried. But where does it say that Paul baptized them? Again, only the Lord Jesus baptizes with the Holy Spirit. Acts 8:14-16: “Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)” Acts 19 is similar to Acts 8. These were also baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Was it in water? Or the Holy Spirit?

@EschatologyFB @gayla_jo @TheNewM60634676 @Coach__AT @Lil_BucCoach So baptism isn't a figure of the resurrection of Jesus Christ? You think that dunking in water you get literally resurrected?

@objectaaron @gayla_jo @TheNewM60634676 @Coach__AT @Lil_BucCoach You keep adding to Scripture, buddy. You seem to like it.

@EschatologyFB @gayla_jo @TheNewM60634676 @Coach__AT @Lil_BucCoach So Paul dunked all of them, everyone toweled-off including Paul and then ... Acts 19:6   And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. WHEN they HEARD this ...

Oh goodness. Are you serious? The context was WATER BAPTISM: Acts 19:3-5: “And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto JOHN’S BAPTISM. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.” Now I hope you caught this. Paul said they should believe on Christ Jesus, but the next verse says they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Belief and baptism ALWAYS went together. Acts 2:41- “Then they that gladly received his word were BAPTIZED: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.” Everyone knew that “baptism” meant water, because that’s the only baptism which the apostles could perform.

@EschatologyFB @gayla_jo @TheNewM60634676 @Coach__AT @Lil_BucCoach C) the figure that baptism represents saves us .. by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Baptism is figurative of the resurrection.

@objectaaron @gayla_jo @TheNewM60634676 @Coach__AT @Lil_BucCoach Multiple choice: A)Baptism DOES also now save us B)Baptism does NOT also now save us

@EschatologyFB @gayla_jo @TheNewM60634676 @Coach__AT @Lil_BucCoach Where’s the water in verse five?

No, it’s not silly. You just don’t get it. In Acts 19, Paul didn’t baptize the disciples at Ephesus. It was after they were water baptized that he laid hand on them to receive the Holy Ghost. Their receiving of the Holy Ghost wasn’t instantaneous, by the way. Back to 1 Corinthians, again, Paul was disgusted, which is why he said that he baptized “none of YOU”. Again, they were bragging about the Who’s who of human baptizers.

@EschatologyFB @gayla_jo @TheNewM60634676 @Coach__AT @Lil_BucCoach Again, you're confusing the act of water immersion and the immersion of the spirit upon regeneration.

“Because water immersion is an ordinance for a believer not a requirement for a non-believer.” That garbage is nowhere in Scripture. You’re calling the Lord a liar. Mark 16:16. And where did I say that water washes away sin? I didn’t. But Peter still said that it saves us. Paul said that those who have been BAPTIZED are in Christ. Not “Those who believe are in Christ.”

@EschatologyFB @gayla_jo @TheNewM60634676 @Coach__AT @Lil_BucCoach That's just silly. Nobody would go around with pretence of wanting to see others souls saved but then leave them in an ambiguous spiritual state. That would leave them in a worse spiritual state than never hearing the word at all(if magic water was required).

No, the only thing which is false is your refusal to include the context of Scripture. 1 Corinthians 1:14- “I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;” 1 Corinthians 1:17- “For Christ sent me NOT to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.” I mean, how could he thank God that he didn’t baptize, if it’s really required? Right?  I think it’s important to realize two things here: 1)Paul did not say that water baptism wasn’t part of the Gospel. Although Paul said that he wasn’t sent to baptize, but to preach the Gospel, it would be taking unwarranted liberties to say that these verses mean that baptism isn’t actually required. The only thing that can be conclusively said is that he wasn’t sent to perform the physical act of baptizing, but rather to preach: 1 Corinthians 9:16- “For though I PREACH the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I PREACH not the gospel!” 2)What was the context of those verses? 1 Corinthians 1:11-15: "For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are CONTENTIONS among you. Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I AM OF PAUL; and I OF APOLLOS; and I OF CEPHAS; and I OF CHRIST. Is Christ DIVIDED? was PAUL crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of PAUL? I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; LEST ANY SHOULD SAY THAT I HAD BAPTIZED IN MINE OWN NAME." THAT was the context. So while many pastors argue that Paul was saying baptism is not necessary, that’s NOT what Paul was saying. Believers were apparently bragging about who was baptizing them, not unlike the modern-day church. Believers now prefer to be scheduled with the main “pastor” of their church, perhaps even delaying baptism until they can get it scheduled with said pastor. They're also not uncommonly asked by others: "Who baptized you?" So Paul was disgusted with the lack of focus on Christ; that rather than our Lord being at the center of baptism, people were making the human baptizers the center of it all. What is the end result? People are told that it really isn't necessary. That it's just an outward sign of one's belief. Perhaps they can get scheduled for a baptism in the next 6 months if they so choose, or maybe a “beach baptism” once the weather warms up enough. Ultimately, many don't even end up getting baptized. And what did Paul say about baptism elsewhere? Romans 6:3-6: “Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were BAPTIZED into his death? Therefore we are BURIED WITH HIM BY BAPTISM INTO DEATH: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is CRUCIFIED with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.” “…that so many of us who have made an ‘altar call’…”?  “…that so many of us who said a prayer?”   “…that so many of us who raised our hands with every head bowed and every eye closed…?” No. “…so many of us as were BAPTIZED into Jesus Christ…”.  Galatians 3:27- “For as many of you as have been BAPTIZED into Christ have put on Christ.” Who has put on Christ? Those who just believe? No. Those who have been BAPTIZED into Christ. What about Colossians 2:12? Colossians 2:12- “Buried WITH him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen WITH him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.” Paul wasn’t ambiguous. As a matter of fact, in Acts 19, when Paul encountered the disciples at Ephesus, he didn’t lay hands on them to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost until AFTER they were baptized into Christ. Their belief wasn’t enough.

@EschatologyFB @gayla_jo @TheNewM60634676 @Coach__AT @Lil_BucCoach Calling upon the name of the LORD is how one has always been saved. Even for mute people. Genesis 4:26   And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

@objectaaron @gayla_jo @TheNewM60634676 @Coach__AT @Lil_BucCoach Of course faith comes by hearing. Read verses 9 and 10. Is confession with the mouth required for salvation? Or is it just belief upon hearing? When is the moment that salvation occurs?