"Sexual value" discourse is all fake: - Only a small minority of young men or women have above 1 sexual partner a year. - Male attractiveness only accounts for 2% of the variance in partner count. - The 90th percentile have not become more sexually active due to social media.

@nfseverin1 You think male height doesn't have any effect on sexual success? Gotta be some crazy manlet cope.

@nfseverin1 @Jared5086561917 The same is true for extra-pair copulation partners, and one night stands. Incels themselves report to not be significantly shorter than the average man.

@Cheldubiduba @nfseverin1 Incels heightlarp to an extreme degree.

@Jared5086561917 @nfseverin1 The call to participate in William Costello's surveys compelled them to "prove the normies wrong", so I doubt they inflated their height. There's also a study done in lifelong virginity, and there's no relationship with height.

@Cheldubiduba @Jared5086561917 @nfseverin1 Studies in Poland, NA, Indonesia, and Europe clearly show a female preference for height. I'm currently reading the one you cited but other literature shows you're wrong.

@ClownWorldFren @Jared5086561917 @nfseverin1 Stated preferences =/= Revealed preferences

@Cheldubiduba @Jared5086561917 @nfseverin1 The Poland one was directly measuring kid count from medical records, the Indonesian one looked at partner height hap and marital satisfaction, the NA one was measuring ideal partner height gaps and I don't remember the European one.

@ClownWorldFren @Jared5086561917 @nfseverin1 Yeah, I figured that out. You all recycle the same incelwiki studies. So what? How that refutes that longlife virgins, 'trucels', aren't shorter than the average the no significant relationship between partner count and height.

@Cheldubiduba @ClownWorldFren @nfseverin1 Are you like a short guy coping with the fact women on average prefer taller guys or are you a woman in denial?

@Jared5086561917 @ClownWorldFren @nfseverin1 Can you point out what I'm denying exactly? Women do prefer men taller than themselves; but the average woman is shorter than the average male. That's mostly why there's no strong correlation between height and body count.

@Jared5086561917 @ClownWorldFren @nfseverin1 Is the point about who sleeps with who or is the point about what women say they want? Do you take women's words about what they want only when it comes to height or do you also listen when they say they want a kind partner that treats them right?

Women usually say the opposite of what they actually like. I wouldn't be getting harassed by girls constantly at bars if I wasn't as tall as I am, even my friends notice and comment on it regularly. I never initiate with women either. I've never approached a single one in person. And I'm not physically attractive facially speaking either. What explains that?

@Jared5086561917 @ClownWorldFren @nfseverin1 "Say the opposite of what they actually like" Yes, exactly. So in a study they can say they want a 6ft tall man and in reality fuck a 5'4ft tall man. That's how you get that lifelong virgins aren't manlets and national surveys show no correlation with partner count. Thanks.

@Jared5086561917 @ClownWorldFren @nfseverin1 Genomic data at an international level doesn't show a relationship with height and being an incel. How do you explain that? How genetic data gets disproven by your n=1 anecdote?

@Cheldubiduba @Jared5086561917 @nfseverin1 There's about a 0.2 correlation between height and IQ and IQ is strongly associated with sexlessness (even that paper acknowledged it) and lower IQ people are more likely to have kids in general. That's at least my hypothesis to explain some of the variation

@ClownWorldFren @Jared5086561917 @nfseverin1 What would count as a no-effect of height for you? 0.0001 or what? "X is weakly correlated with Z, that is correlated with Y" isn't an hypothesis, is clinging to anything to keep insisting there's a remarkabke relationship when there's none.

@Cheldubiduba @Jared5086561917 @nfseverin1 I disagree. I think it's an interesting hypothesis to investigate. The lowest IQ people (who will, on average, be shorter) are having the most kids.

@ClownWorldFren @Jared5086561917 @nfseverin1 It has already been explored multiple times. No relationship. open.substack.com/pub/nuancepill…

@ClownWorldFren @Jared5086561917 @nfseverin1 open.substack.com/pub/nuancepill…

@ClownWorldFren @Jared5086561917 @nfseverin1 open.substack.com/pub/nuancepill…

@Cheldubiduba @ClownWorldFren @nfseverin1 This diagram shows the bulk of men in relationships being 180cm. That's 5'11 which is a whole standard deviation in height above the mean. What's your point?

@Cheldubiduba @Jared5086561917 @nfseverin1 Nice gish gallop

@ClownWorldFren @Jared5086561917 @nfseverin1 All articles quote multiple studies, including the ones you hinted at. Hope you debunk them all before responding to me with anecdotes and mental gymnastics. Thanks.