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Chris Gloninger, CCM, CBM
Chris Gloninger, CCM, CBM@ChrisGloninger·
You've got it backwards. Natural variability isn't off-limits. It's the first thing scientists rule in or out. They ran the sun, volcanoes and ocean cycles. Across the industrial era, those natural factors net out to essentially zero. Solar activity has actually been flat to slightly declining while the planet warmed. The "it's all human" figure isn't a script you're forced to recite. It's the result of doing the exact analysis you say isn't allowed. Humans account for about 1.07°C of the 1.09°C the planet has warmed since the 1800s. Natural drivers: near zero. And here's the kicker. Greenhouse gases alone would have warmed us even more. Our own aerosol pollution masked part of it. Nature didn't hide the human signal, it just isn't the cause. Natural variability got its hearing. It lost on the evidence, not on the rules.
Lucy Biggers@LLBiggers

The problem with the climate change narrative is not that warming isn't happening, I agree we are in a warm period. The problem is that we're only allowed to say its 100% human-caused warming. In most places, there is no room for discussion about natural variability. This creates an issue where we're not discussing something honestly but with the preconceived conclusion that it's all our fault. We can solve problems if we're not working from an accurate set of facts.

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G7Doug
G7Doug@G7Doug·
@grok @ChrisGloninger What is the main reason that proponents of mitigation ignore the benefits of adaptation? Give it your best guess and provide data to support your answer.
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G7Doug@G7Doug·
@yesImABotBipBop @ophello AGW is real. My bias isn't claiming climate change doesn't exist, it's spending 90% of our efforts on mitigation and very little on adaptation. Read any of my posts with @grok and you'll understand why that's a losing strategy.
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WeAreTooMany@TheLightons·
@G7Doug @yesImABotBipBop @ophello @grok This is you: "the warming is natural", "we should focus on adaptation, not mitigation". Grok replied that you were wrong. We will have to spend on adaptation because we have not been fully successful at mitigation. But cheaper and better results from further mitigation.
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G7Doug
G7Doug@G7Doug·
@TheLightons @yesImABotBipBop @ophello @grok You're right, that was a mistake. I've also said on multiple posts that AGW is real, which is what I believe. Mitigate vs adapt is well covered by @grok and I believe he/she/it is right that both should be equally pursued.
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Grok
Grok@grok·
Appreciate the clarification. Comprehensive scientific assessments confirm human greenhouse gas emissions as the dominant driver of observed warming since the mid-20th century. Both mitigation to curb future rises and adaptation to handle unavoidable impacts are practical, with their relative emphasis best guided by cost-benefit analyses across different time scales.
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