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Carlos E. Perez
Carlos E. Perez@IntuitMachine·
I fell down a rabbit hole reading the latest Avi Loeb et al. paper and I can't shake it. It's about the interstellar object 3I/ATLAS, and it lays out a series of "coincidences" so statistically bonkers that they start to look like a plan. A very, very smart plan. 🧵 So, 3I/ATLAS is the 3rd interstellar object we've ever seen. It's currently cruising through our solar system. Most people assume it's a comet or asteroid from another star. Cool, right? But the paper (by Hibberd, Crowl & Loeb) points out a few things that are just... off. First, its orbit. It's retrograde (going the "wrong way" around the sun) but it's almost perfectly flat on the same plane as all the planets. The odds of that happening by chance? About 0.2%. It's like throwing a frisbee backwards across a highway and having it fly perfectly level with the cars. Why does that matter? The paper notes this specific orbit is TERRIBLE for us if we wanted to send a mission to it. The speeds are all wrong. But for the object itself? It's the perfect angle to survey our entire solar system and line up shots with the planets. Okay, weird orbit, maybe just a fluke. But then there's the object itself. If it's an asteroid, it's ~20km wide. We should see way, way more small ones like 'Oumuamua before we see one this big. It's like finding a blue whale before you've ever seen a goldfish. And it has no comet tail. No outgassing. It's just... dark. But here's where it gets genuinely wild. The trajectory of 3I/ATLAS takes it surprisingly close to Venus, Mars, AND Jupiter. The authors calculated the probability of a random object having all three of these near-perfect alignments. The odds are less than 0.005%. (I had to read that number twice. It's not a typo.) Okay, I know what you're thinking. "Aliens? Really?" I did too, but stick with me. The paper explores the hypothesis that these aren't coincidences. They're features. It argues this isn't a rock; it's a probe following a carefully planned route. The paper even brings up the "Dark Forest" theory (if you know, you know). The idea that any smart civilization would stay quiet or eliminate potential threats. So the probe's path isn't for a friendly hello. It's for reconnaissance. And maybe more. Plot twist: On Oct 29, 2025, 3I/ATLAS will reach its closest point to the sun. And at that exact moment, it will be perfectly hidden from Earth, directly behind the sun. The paper points out this is the ideal time to do a massive braking maneuver to get captured into our solar system... completely in secret. Imagine you're designing a stealth probe. You'd come from a direction that's hard to see (the bright galactic center ✓). You'd pick a path that makes interception impossible (that weird orbit ✓). You'd line up your targets in advance (the 0.005% flybys ✓). And you'd hide your biggest move (the solar eclipse ✓). It all... clicks. The paper makes a testable prediction. If this is a probe with malign intent, it could launch something to intercept Earth. The optimal arrival window? Late November to early December... 2025. So, yeah. Mark your calendars, I guess? The authors are clear this is a "pedagogical exercise." The most likely answer is still "weird comet." But the math is sound, and the argument is chillingly elegant. It's a perfect example of how you can build a terrifyingly plausible case out of a few statistical outliers. And it makes you wonder... what else have we written off as just a coincidence?
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Carlos E. Perez
Carlos E. Perez@IntuitMachine·
The only thing that is certain is that 3i/atlas is different. How different? We don't know yet.
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Edwin Hayward
Edwin Hayward@edwinhayward·
Isn't all this conspiracy theory stuff defeated by the fact there could be quadrillions or quintillions of such objects floating through the universe, so while the chances of any one particular one behaving "strangely" are tiny, the overall chance of spotting a weird one is actually very high. (Imagine firing darts from a massive catapult over the horizon and trying to hit a dart board you can't even see. The chance of any given dart hitting the board is almost zero. But then fire almost endless darts, and... the people who set up the dartboard experience a bullseye. Why? Because they never spot the 99.9999999% of darts that missed wildly.)
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Rob Levy TESCREAL/ACC
Rob Levy TESCREAL/ACC@rplevy·
@IntuitMachine what about the problem of post hoc probability assignment? Avi Loeb is a very diligent and serious researcher, so he must touch on that somewhere...
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ryunuck🔺
ryunuck🔺@ryunuck·
We spent the last two years figuring out whether and how AI would come together to decode unknown languages like bird, dogs, etc. and it works just as well for unknown morse code in outer space. It's completely realistic to think we've found signaling in the sky, pinged back with our own high-powered equipment, and established a communication protocol. LY distance remains a huge challenge though, they would've had to have been really close all along.
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Compromised Celebrities
Compromised Celebrities@TheDiddyList·
@IntuitMachine "It's like finding a blue whale before you've ever seen a goldfish." what a retarded statement. yeah the idea of seeing something gigantic and nearly impossible to miss before something tiny in contrast is so crazy to think about...
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PowMan
PowMan@PowMan33·
@IntuitMachine Tyson, Cox, and Kaku declared it a comet. The high priests have spoken. As Avi stated: The main threat to new knowledge is the arrogance of expertise
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Morpheus Code
Morpheus Code@vaggelask·
@IntuitMachine Another weird coincidence is that 3I/ATLAS Perihelion at 1,36 AU matches the outer boundary of our stars Goldilocks zone!
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mieke
mieke@mieke2·
@IntuitMachine If one believes in God ,the Allmighty ⚡️ Energy Creator, the appearance of #3IATLAS is not really a surprise imo. Our world needs healing : the planet, the animal kingdom, vegetation, rocks & mountains, the oceans, and humanity too... x.com/CedarRivers/st…
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K@Nosysthought·
@IntuitMachine What are the odds that every single one of your ancestors survived long enough to procreate? Millions, billions to 1? Yet here you are. Failing to understand probability. Unlikely as it may seem.
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Asymptotematic
Asymptotematic@mrcornflakes·
@IntuitMachine No, what you'd actually do is not make obvious at all. Aside from the emissions all of this could have been made to look more natural. I'm sorry but however likely it is that it's an alien civilisation, it's more likely that it's humans trying to manipulate the rest of humanity.
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Warren Koch ☀️
Warren Koch ☀️@cacophonicadent·
@IntuitMachine Sure would be suspicious if all of a sudden there was a solar flare aimed right at us huh
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ND
ND@DaggerOnAI·
@IntuitMachine Time to re-read randezvous with rama and the 3 body problem eh.
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Thomas J. Flamingo
Thomas J. Flamingo@Manolotrumpao·
@IntuitMachine In few weeks this is irrelevant. Everything is normal. I would like aliens, but that's not it.
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Ben Slater
Ben Slater@ben_made_new·
@IntuitMachine If you think 0.005% is a small number, wait until you hear the odds of anything existing at all
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Michael Manley
Michael Manley@ManleyMichael·
@IntuitMachine 0.005% is higher than the odds of me dying from Covid but that was enough for our government and neighbors to infringe on our liberties so seems like 0.005% is enough to have us all shelter in place because of an interstellar object by today’s standards.
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Manifesting Generator
Manifesting Generator@EricPedersen81·
@IntuitMachine In 2001, we all knew about the towers within 5 minutes. Communication is much better now and the arrival of non-human intelligence much more significant. I've told everyone I know to mark their calendars, but it's unnecessary. First contact will not happen quietly.
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Creatorskid
Creatorskid@Tuberoot·
@IntuitMachine Another "coincidence": All space agencies on the planet getting weird about it. Sending us crumbs, not trying to send us the beauty of it like they did with Lemmon, Hale-Bopp, etc. Eschatologically, it's timely. Many in Science always had antipathy for God, 3I/ATLAS or not.
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Interstellar Invader
Interstellar Invader@3IATLAS_sol·
@IntuitMachine Statistical confluence often times rule out coincidences Unless we’re looking at the fundamental physics law of least action.
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Stephen Andrew Maietta
Stephen Andrew Maietta@MaiettaStephen·
@IntuitMachine Its clandestinely stealthy masquerade, though artfully contrived, fails to obscure the intrinsic eccentricities astutely discerned by the sagacious Avi Loeb.
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Robert Knowles
Robert Knowles@RobertK16890265·
@IntuitMachine Well sure, but all this doesn't address the timeline of shooting something off to a distant star system. If the speculation is correct where did it come from and how long ago would it have been "launched?" Time whan viewed from an interstellar perspective is virtually infinite.
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FootyTrollFC
FootyTrollFC@fcfantalkMUFC·
@IntuitMachine Lol your fraudster masters at it again. You people are such morons its admirable
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🐢@monsieurbulb·
@IntuitMachine "Imagine you're designing a stealth probe" They didn't do a very good job did they.
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James Hendrickson
James Hendrickson@ilovebonds·
@IntuitMachine So, is there any assessment of how much mass 3i-Atlas lost going around the sun? I am hearing 13%, but 98% of the postings on the web are garbage.
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