watching kagaribi is making me really really unhappy about these three specifically. it might actually be impossible to challenge them safely, you are genuinely in disadvantage state all the time until you put them in the corner and then its neutral.

@Normalssbbbx I don't want to see shit with this after Tama lost to Raru because of a frame 1 invincible escape option, guaranteed 0-deaths on every character, and multiple misfires that saved his stocks multiple times. If Bayo didn't have the mobility from side b, she wouldn't be good

@Normalssbbbx No fox and mythra? They basically embody the same concept if your character can't force them to be honest, or they get exploded through their juggling

@Normalssbbbx One of these characters is not like the other😳

@Normalssbbbx bayo being in the wrong slop-

PG: starting to cook from downtown 🔥 He leads Philly in scoring early with 6!

@Normalssbbbx The optimal way to deal with Bayo is timing her out. She cannot approach a camping opponent. Diddy is the opposite, but you have to respect his shield options and banana burst range. Diddy thrives reacting to your approaches. "mobilityslop", ironically, is his weakness.

@Normalssbbbx All of bayos moves have reasonable startup there are times where you can just run at her

@Normalssbbbx fought an online diddy the other day and went 1-14 through his ass spamming banana, up b, and monkey flip and on the 1 time i won he disconnected before the KO diddy players are genuinely bitch made

@Normalssbbbx That might explain why it always feels like neutral against them for me. I main Incineroar. Literally all three of them HAVE to stay away for their own safety and it usually leads to me having stage control and them in the corner TRYING to do their stupid mobility. Still hard mus

@Normalssbbbx and while we’re at it put sheik in this tier

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@Normalssbbbx Diddy isnt so bad because of the lack of KO power And Bayonetta manages to be more annoying then smash 4 somehow (she was more broken back then but she's more annoying this time around)

@Normalssbbbx God jesus & the holy martyr

@Normalssbbbx you're not in neutral vs bayo in the corner though that's where she wants to be

@Normalssbbbx Put fox in there

@Normalssbbbx @oshwott3 Peak smash

@Normalssbbbx bayo neutral is shit

@Normalssbbbx Lucario is the answer to all 3