Well, if a 5 year old is getting puberty blocker it’s because literally no 5-year old should be going through puberty so they actually LITERALLY NEED PUBERTY BLOCKERS.

@_celia_bedelia_ So it's a fake argument, right. Thank you for your service.

@WaPoMax @_celia_bedelia_ It's a real argument, if admittedly a rare case, known as "precocious puberty"; it refers to children starting puberty early (as early as 4 or 5), and was the original use case for puberty blockers. It's why we know they're harmless and reversible.

@PSYCHOKINETICE1 @_celia_bedelia_ NOT 4 or 5. More like 8 or 9 or 10. It's become an epidemic though!

@WaPoMax @_celia_bedelia_ Can be as early as 4 or 5, in exceptionally rare cases. That's why the youngest person to ever give birth was a 5-year-old.

@PSYCHOKINETICE1 @_celia_bedelia_ That was a jungle savage or some such. Not applicable. Keep in the pocket. Normal Western people.

@criptastical @PSYCHOKINETICE1 @_celia_bedelia_ "Sure, let's include all primates in our survey! Hey, let's make it all mammals! We test things on rodents all the time, right?" You see how silly and shortsighted you sound?

@WaPoMax @criptastical @_celia_bedelia_ There's a significant difference between counting variation within a species- where a condition is already observed and noting its extremes- and counting an entirely different species.

@PSYCHOKINETICE1 @criptastical @_celia_bedelia_ FIRST you need to establish that the samples are indeed of the same species. The one case described was dubious in that regard and, if real, too far from the standard to be any kind of valid example or control. No strange variables, please. Or just count primates.

@WaPoMax @PSYCHOKINETICE1 @criptastical @_celia_bedelia_ Skipping over the fact that you just said "jungle savage" like it's the 19th century and implied that such a person is not a human, here's the case you don't want to acknowledge. Her name was Lina Medina. allthatsinteresting.com/lina-medina

@MeriElenaSilver @PSYCHOKINETICE1 @criptastical @_celia_bedelia_ Yoomin-shoomin, it's a case full of so many variables and unknowns that it has no business being brought into the discussion. Might I ask what you did with the presumed rapist? Did you execute him? If not, why not? Shouldn't that be the proper target of your outrage?

@WaPoMax @MeriElenaSilver @criptastical @_celia_bedelia_ She gave birth in 1939; the rapist's identity was never made known, and it's not like DNA testing would've been available until the child was middle-aged, doubly so because she lived in a rural area in fucking Peru. She was an abused, homeschooled child.

@PSYCHOKINETICE1 @MeriElenaSilver @criptastical @_celia_bedelia_ OK, the story establishes that such a thing might possibly be possible...but too many IFs and oddities. It's like 'discoveries' in paleontology...Peking Man may have truly been a sort of proto-human from 200,000 BC.. but the fossils got lost and the doubts continue.

@WaPoMax @MeriElenaSilver @criptastical @_celia_bedelia_ It establishes that such a thing is *definitely* possible, because it has ALREADY HAPPENED, but is a highly rare exception case. Possible, but highly improbable, and thus a starting point for future research.

@PSYCHOKINETICE1 @MeriElenaSilver @criptastical @_celia_bedelia_ No it doesn't. Could be completely fake. Could be a 10-yr-old they said was 5 or 6. Some sort of Feejee Mermaid hokum, anyway. I mean, seriously now: do we have bona fide documentation for this story? Birth certificates, life histories?

@WaPoMax @PSYCHOKINETICE1 @criptastical @_celia_bedelia_ Yes. In fact, I think Lina is still alive, or she was a couple years ago anyway. She was treated by a physician, so there are medical records. That's why there is such a precise age for when she gave birth (5 yes, 7 mo, 21 days). Here, check the Snopes: snopes.com/fact-check/you…