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Juno
Juno@31Juno·
@By20Made @_fcbjay @_Culture_Troll Carries are useful when the final pass comes after it, Otherwise, His carries are only useful for escaping pressure in our own half. In attack, it doesn't do much. I think Balde is quite great Defensively, has a nice technical floor, But, our system needs the lb to attack.
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MadeBy20
MadeBy20@By20Made·
@31Juno @_fcbjay @_Culture_Troll His carries are helpful with M2M press. In attack, he can only do so much as the LW - one we don't have since he's always drifting centrally. Our LB can only attack properly with a proper LW. Not when he LB is the one having to hold width.
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MadeBy20
MadeBy20@By20Made·
@31Juno @_fcbjay @_Culture_Troll If anything, Cancelo proves that we need a left winger with 1v1 abilities more than we need a LB. Can you prove that wrong?
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MadeBy20
MadeBy20@By20Made·
@31Juno @_fcbjay @_Culture_Troll The LW should be able to hold width and occupy the oppositions FB. We don't have that with Rapha. Guess who has to hold that width and occupy the oppositions FB?
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fcbjay
fcbjay@_fcbjay·
@By20Made @31Juno @_Culture_Troll Step into Flick’s shoes for a second. Why would you trade a footballer who can drop a 60 g/a season without pens for a Lw who can hold width?
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MadeBy20
MadeBy20@By20Made·
@_fcbjay @31Juno @_Culture_Troll @31Juno and I are having a reasonable conversation here. Engaging you beyond this would make me break the premise of logic & reason because it's evident that your analysis on Balde are correct but you're extremism nullifies all facts.
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Juno
Juno@31Juno·
@By20Made @_fcbjay @_Culture_Troll No no, he poses a sensible question. We value a winger holding width, but is it really worth rapha's ability to decide matches? Just to platform Balde better?
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MadeBy20
MadeBy20@By20Made·
@31Juno @_fcbjay @_Culture_Troll Don't intertwine the base of debate. Rapha is not a LW and he doesn't hold width. His heat map simply backs this up. Secondly, how are you two coming to the conclusion that I want Rapha dropped for Balde? Let's be rooted in the foundational cause of this chatter.
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Juno
Juno@31Juno·
@By20Made @_fcbjay @_Culture_Troll What you want is irrelevant If we do acquire a Lw that holds width, Rapha can no longer use that position, He's either reprofiled, or benched. It's a consequence of the initial action. Your argument is that we should hold width cause of Balde. This affects Rapha Is it worth it?
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MadeBy20
MadeBy20@By20Made·
@31Juno @_fcbjay @_Culture_Troll It's not what I want. There's a reason the club searched for a LW for 2 consecutive transfer windows & ended up signing a makeshift in Rashford. Same reason we're still actively searching. We need a LW to hold width & not ALWAYS drift centrally in attack. Do you comprehend?
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MadeBy20@By20Made·
@31Juno @_fcbjay @_Culture_Troll A LW that can dribble or at least attract and beat 1 or 2 defenders heads on would take our offense and defense up a notch. Offensively, I don't need to explain further. Defensively, teams won't dare commit blindly against our defense.
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Juno
Juno@31Juno·
@By20Made @_fcbjay @_Culture_Troll Yamal takes lot of attention being the only x factor threat in creating offense plays I had thought about getting a dribbler Lw, and Reprofiling Rafa into the 9, not typical 9 however But its experimental Rapha gives too much on the left to make such investments & lose his impact
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MadeBy20
MadeBy20@By20Made·
@31Juno @_fcbjay @_Culture_Troll Rapha gives everything everywhere. Put as the 9 and he'll deliver. He's the most clinical player we have in front of goal, so, the 9 role would suit him since he already operates centrally. We won't lose anything if we get a proper LW to supplement. That's my point.
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fcbjay
fcbjay@_fcbjay·
@By20Made @31Juno @_Culture_Troll Can’t help it. Your takes are just too disingenuous that they have me in disbelief sometimes. Trynna replicate psg’s false nine system while having two defensive fullbacks who contribute minimal to attack is just utterly laughable.
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MadeBy20
MadeBy20@By20Made·
@_fcbjay @31Juno @_Culture_Troll Our fullbacks had their worst season this year and you think they won't bounce back ever again? Look at the market and how football is played today, after Lewy, Kane, Haaland, that breed of 9 would be eradicated. Prove me wrong with any 9 of such caliber playing top football.
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fcbjay
fcbjay@_fcbjay·
@By20Made @31Juno @_Culture_Troll Our fullbacks can bounce back to their PREVIOUS levels. Balde can again become an elite carrier and kounde can become elite defensively but that won’t make them become elite offensive contributors. The sole reason why psg is able to play a false nine is because their wings are
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MadeBy20
MadeBy20@By20Made·
@_fcbjay @31Juno @_Culture_Troll If you recall, I asked you about the assist numbers for the top 5 LB's compared to Balde last season & this season. I don't fancy the numbers in football except the scoreline. Offensively, depending on your structure, your LB should offer width, progression & final 3rd threat.
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MadeBy20
MadeBy20@By20Made·
@_fcbjay @31Juno @_Culture_Troll Balde checks 2/3 of the list. The only thing he lacks is the final 3rd threat which inherently can be summed up to assist. You also need to understand the dynamism between a FB and the winger - either of the 2 needs to give you wide/inside threat not both.
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MadeBy20
MadeBy20@By20Made·
@_fcbjay @31Juno @_Culture_Troll Balde progression tend to drift centrally(inside threat) since oppositions would play him to his weak foot When paired with Rapha; who drifts centrally, you have no wide threat Occasionally, Balde's tasked with providing width which requires staying out & wide. Not his strength
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MadeBy20
MadeBy20@By20Made·
@_fcbjay @31Juno @_Culture_Troll Tasking such a player that offers 2 key elements of a FB to holding width because we don't have a LW shouldn't be an opportunity to shade the FB. I think you misunderstand my take on Rapha; he's my favorite but he's not a LW or RW. We need a true LW to pair with Balde.
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fcbjay
fcbjay@_fcbjay·
@By20Made @31Juno @_Culture_Troll And what do you think will happen if we pair Balde with an LW? You think that the Lw will hold width for Balde to underlap and Balde will deliver something of value in the box? Did you see last game? Flick had no problem doing it with Cancelo. Rewatch it and you will see how
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MadeBy20
MadeBy20@By20Made·
@_fcbjay @31Juno @_Culture_Troll Not one of them is required to hold with. But the benefit lies in the vast interchanging dynamics that could be formed. For now, he's mostly isolated on that LW In offense, he can't be too advanced AT ALL TIMES since Rapha drifts centrally. Kvara helps Mendes more than we think.
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fcbjay
fcbjay@_fcbjay·
@By20Made @31Juno @_Culture_Troll Raphinha also helps Balde massively defensively. And I have seen Rashford hugging the touchline too but balde still doesn’t know when to overlap or underlap
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MadeBy20
MadeBy20@By20Made·
@_fcbjay @31Juno @_Culture_Troll We're not talking about defense. We're talking about offensive contribution. Rapha is the best thing to happen to Balde defensively. If Balde makes those runs, guess where Rapha is, he is more central. If it wasn't for his work rate, both he and Balde would be getting exposed.
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fcbjay
fcbjay@_fcbjay·
@By20Made @31Juno @_Culture_Troll Again. Balde makes those runs a dozen times per game. The thing is, his runs just never amount to anything of substance like ever. The goal balde scored against madrid? Raphinha and him were running together. We have had plenty of such occasions but balde never recreated
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fcbjay
fcbjay@_fcbjay·
@By20Made @31Juno @_Culture_Troll Now this is just a hyperbole lmfao. We have had countless opportunities exactly like this where he has not scored. Nor even gotten in a position to score. Using one example to base off the whole perspective is just insane
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MadeBy20
MadeBy20@By20Made·
@_fcbjay @31Juno @_Culture_Troll Countless is an overstretch. Look at how we play. We barely have those chances. Our gameplay is mostly through RW and the middle. The LW is inactive. Flick has adapted the system to maximize his forwards that's why we scored so much in his first season.
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fcbjay
fcbjay@_fcbjay·
@By20Made @31Juno @_Culture_Troll We have had plenty of chances and transitions coming from the left. Off the top of my head I can find multiple examples from last season alone. One being against benfica in knockouts.
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MadeBy20
MadeBy20@By20Made·
@_fcbjay @31Juno @_Culture_Troll And how many assist did Balde have compared to Nuno last season. My niggas, I'm about to stop engaging you. You're going in circles with a fucking point. You want final pass and threat, he delivered last season. Now, he's hurt & off form but yeah, he's shit compared to Cancelo
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fcbjay
fcbjay@_fcbjay·
@By20Made @31Juno @_Culture_Troll The absolute irony of saying i am running in circles when you absolutely haven’t grasped the singular concept that ASSISTS ≠ THREAT. How hard is it? Balde is absolutely shit compared to alot of lbs right now and it is true. Regardless of your take on it.
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