@TheObserve87441 @cedie_ii44635 Apologies, I thought I answered already. I don't understand what you mean by other. There are distinct persons
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Daniel Richards
@Danielrich596
orthodox ✝️ not orthobro. If you say or do stupid stuff, I will troll you
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@Danielrich596 @cedie_ii44635 These "distinct persons from the Father" are they considered "other" in relation to the Father?
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For Muhammad (PBUH) fulfilled the prophecies of previous prophets and brought the final Law that abrogated previous ones, correcting their distortions. As God intended this Law to remain until the Day of Judgment, He established a state through His Prophet to protect its message.
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If Allah is actually the same God progressively revealed in the Bible, then I have a few questions. Did He forget His own timeline? By the time we reached the 7th century, according to the New Testament, humanity was already in the era of grace. Jesus taught forgiveness, loving your enemies, praying for those who persecute you, and turning the other cheek. The apostles were beaten, imprisoned, and killed, yet they never raised armies to spread the faith. So if this is the same God, why does the message suddenly seem to go in reverse? It’s almost like watching a teacher spend years teaching addition, then multiplication, then calculus, only to return centuries later and say, “Actually, let’s go back to counting with our fingers or stones.” Jesus arrived without a sword and told Peter to put his sword away. His followers suffered persecution and martyrdom without fighting back. But in the 7th century, Muhammad engaged in battles and political expansion. Allah drops commands: “Fight those who fight you!” Instead of love your enemies. So what happened? Did God suddenly forget that He had already revealed a covenant centered on grace, forgiveness, and reconciliation? Or could it be that the God revealed in the Bible and the Allah presented in Islam are not the same being after all? God’s revelation moves forward, from law to grace, from judgment to mercy, from “love your neighbor” to “love your enemy.” The question is: why would the same God reverse that progression six centuries later?
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@TheObserve87441 @cedie_ii44635 There are distinct persons from the father
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@Danielrich596 @cedie_ii44635 distinct persons from the Father, regardless of whether or not they 'reveal' the Father.
Based on this, are the Son and the Holy Spirit 'other' than the Father, or are they the Father Himself?
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@TheObserve87441 @cedie_ii44635 Think of an idea such as the number 1. Give that one some features. Thereafter, write that idea on a piece of paper. Now, ask yourself, the number, 1 you’ve just written down, is that the same “1” you were thinking of or is it a different “1”? Are there one 1’s or two 1’s?
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@TheObserve87441 @cedie_ii44635 There’s no exhaustive analogy in reality that can fully depict God. I’m using the sun’s analogy to show distinction.
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@Danielrich596 @cedie_ii44635 "The sun is composed of parts: light, heat, and the solar disk, which together form a new, composite thing called 'the sun.' Even if we say that the Father is the source of the Son and the Holy Spirit, ultimately, the Son and the Holy Spirit are supposed to be real,
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@T4Peace The orthobro community is a cult. Reject cultism
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Yesterday I called @jaydyer’s show. I told him I’m Orthodox, he called me a liar. He said I was “worse than Evangelicals, Muslims and OnlyFans whores.”
Today, he posted that I was Catholic and that people were gullible and needed discernment.
After I replied with a video of my baptism, he deleted the post.
No correction. No acknowledgement.
This is not about personal offense. It is about public Orthodox influence.
The question is not, “Can God use flawed men?” Of course He can.
The question is: when apologetics becomes misrepresentation, mockery, and contempt, what kind of formation is it producing?
If Orthodox apologetics trains men to crush rather than correct, to mock rather than discern, and to perform confidence rather than bear humility, then something has gone deeply wrong.
Truth matters. So does the spirit in which truth is defended.
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@T4Peace That’s what he does. He views any sort of criticism as an attack and calls you names, blocks you and pronounce that person isn’t orthodox. It’s a deadly cult
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@Danielrich596 It went well, the Baby and the mother is fine. Thank you so much.
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@TheObserve87441 @cedie_ii44635 The son and spirit are not mere effects though. I’m using the sun analogy to show real distinctions. The light from the sun is not the sun itself but the light is what reveals the sun.
It makes sense in light of scripture.
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@TheObserve87441 @cedie_ii44635 No. It’s a monarchical model of the Trinity centred around the Father as the monarch or source. This is very close to Dr Joshua Sijuwade’s model of the trinity.
I hold real distinctions between the persons.
Think of the sun and its light and heat that proceeds from it
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@TheObserve87441 @cedie_ii44635 This is because my starting point is the subject which is the Father, not the essence.
So only the Father is the true God in the strict sense. The Son and spirit are fully divine.
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@TheObserve87441 @cedie_ii44635 I don’t care what they say, I only care what’s inside their scripture.
The Father is the only true God in terms of Him being the ultimate concrete divine reality. The son and spirit are eternally begotten expressions of that divine reality.
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@TheObserve87441 @cedie_ii44635 It is taken out of context. God was responding to the Israelites who worshiped the pagan Gods
Israelites do believe in the existence of other deities
Yes, we do believe the father is truly God, and there's no other
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@Danielrich596 @cedie_ii44635 how God has stated, in no less than ten instances, that He is God and there is no other? Yet, we are met with the Christian belief that both the Father and the Son are each God, and that each is 'another' in relation to the other!
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@TheObserve87441 @cedie_ii44635 They can't. We actually take their full revelation to be authoritative. They can argue their understanding of God is different but they can't argue for a different God
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@Danielrich596 @cedie_ii44635 A Jew could argue that your God is different from theirs with far greater force than your claim that we worship a different God.
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@TheObserve87441 @cedie_ii44635 God is not capable of lying or sin. God is not capable of going against His character.
I gave you bible references from Hebrews and Genesis. But my argument is from consistency. There are estimated 50 times where God swears and EVERY.SINGLE.TIME, he is self referential
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@Danielrich596 @cedie_ii44635 [...why he cannot swear...]
God is capable of all things. In any case, I understand what you mean,
but I have a question: where does it say that He does not swear by anything other than Himself?
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@TheObserve87441 @cedie_ii44635 This is nothing He says just once in the bible, he says it repeatedly
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@Danielrich596 @cedie_ii44635 Yes, but it does not mean they work for two different managers, or that they report to and receive their salaries from 2 different people. They r reporting to the same person; it is just that the information they have about him is different—one of them is right, & the other wrong
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@TheObserve87441 @cedie_ii44635 Therefore Allah is not God from previous revelations
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@Danielrich596 @cedie_ii44635 Do you mean the concept of God—meaning the information about Him or His attributes or do you mean the Person of God Himself?
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