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BREAKING: United States becomes the first country in history to pay $300 billion to a country they defeated 50 times in one war.
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idrw@idrwalerts·
Airbus is working on team and once that is done it might come up with proper proposal on 6th gen fighter jet program for potential partners like India
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@IXGguy Its mainly because we keep ordering 20-25 aircrafts every 10 years. 0 incentive for them to make any concessions. We could have ordered 150+ aircrafts back in 2016 itself and would have already made them and owned the tech by now.
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PlaneCrazy@IXGguy·
We've seen this movie of ToT before. Deals get announced, a lot of song and dance about tech transfers pops up on the media, then when it finally comes to put money where their mouths are, the OEM backs down, says We don't trust any indig partners, cannot guarantee tech, cites inane QA/QC issues, runs. Dassault itself has done it umpteen times beginning with the M2K. So no, when it comes to trust value, they come upto naught.
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GeoPolitical Astronomer.@GeoPolAstro·
@somnath1978 Because they are far cheaper to produce and operate and more than sufficient for the wars they are fighting? Iran doesnt have any aircrafts let alone gen 4.5/5 chinese variants Pak does/will operate in the coming years.
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Somnath Mukherjee@somnath1978·
By this logic👇, USAF/IdAF shd not be inducting any F15 at all frm here on. They have access to F35A/B/C in industrial scale, why are they spending $$ to upgrade F15 and order fresh batches?
Vishnu Som@VishnuNDTV

Because the Rafale has already entered service with the Indian Air Force. An order has also been placed for the Indian Navy. The combined value of this - being paid for by tax payers is Rs.1,23,000 cr. Infra has been set up, the IAF is deeply invested in the jet. The first new Indian Navy Rafales start coming in by mid 2028. If India were to sign the deal for 114 more Rafales soon, you can expect deliveries to also begin by 2028-29. The first prototype of the Tejas Mk 2 has still not been rolled out. Even if it is rolled out tomorrow, it will not complete flight tests and start entering squadron service before 2035 - that's a seriously optimistic date - its essentially a brand new fighter. The question to be asked is whether India needs a brand new non-stealth 4th generation jet entering service in 2035 - i.e 30 years after the USAF first started indicating F-22s and at a time when the nature of airwarfare has changed completely. This isn't remotely to suggest that the Tejas Mk-2 will be a bad platform but the evolution of air warfare, the heavy dependence on stealth and the emergence of 6th generation platforms will render the Tejas Mk-2 significantly dated by the 2030s - obsolete from a basic design standpoint. That also goes for other existing IAF jets but since one isn't going to discard the Su-30 fleet not the recently acquired Rafale fleet, which has decades of operational life left, it makes it incumbent upon us, as a nation to make hard choices. The AMCA is India's make or break moment. I talk about FCAS - that's a futuristic requirement but it's AMCA that just has to be a gamechanger for the IAF first. And there are many skeptics who doubt that that will happen. In all this, at a time when the Chinese are fielding some of the most radical designs we have seen and already have 300 odd 5th generation J-20s in service, should we blindly endorse the continued induction of 100 plus Tejas Mk-2s at more than Rs.75,000 cr which will start entering service in meaningful numbers only a decade from now?

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GeoPolitical Astronomer.@GeoPolAstro·
@Tsukuyomi2170 You lose credibility with your very first false statement. He mentioned navy Rafaels (ordered april'25) will start delivery by 2028, that accurate. + By 2030 India will also get 18 in fly away conditions. Thats already 50+ new aircrafts 4+ years before mk2 v1 is even inducted.
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Tsukuyomi (EMALSpaglu)@Tsukuyomi2170·
He claims that Rafale delivery will start by 2028 which is wrong He fails to mention that out of 114 Rafales 90 of them will arrive with 860 TRM GaAs radars which IAF can't replace on their own He fails to mention that IAF wouldn't be able to operate Rafale in CEC with other Indian platforms like Tejas Su 30 MKI etc or perform with CCAs like Warrior not that IAF has shown much interest in CCA He fails to mention that IAF wouldn't be able to upgrade Rafale on their own similar to what happened with Mirage 2000
Harshad@harshadmishra15

Read this. Then pause and read again.

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@Akash85876068 @sakthivel_cit93 We are getting the navy ones by 2028/29 and if the deal of the 114 new ones gets through then we get another 20 in fly away conditions by 2030. Thats already 50+ aircrafts and starting of manufacturing by 2032 -> Still atleast 3 years before mk2 v1 is even inducted.
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Akky@Akash85876068·
@GeoPolAstro @sakthivel_cit93 Airframes to aayenge na, Rafale 2032 se phle to ni mil jayega?? Usi time tk Tejas aane shuru ho jayenge, to Airframes kaha ni honge??
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E.R. Sakthivel DFI@sakthivel_cit93·
#TejasMk1A is abt to become the test bed fr #DRDOPhotonicRadar ,which can detect stealth fighter targets , 100s of kms away. With 300 km + range BVR missile #DRDOGandiva , How does #TejasMk1A & #TejasMk2 become obsolete at induction? x.com/i/status/20661
K Singh@KSingh_1469

It goes from bad to worse Seriously @VishnuNDTV seriously? The MK1A will be second only to the Rafale in IAF service in terms of advancements If this is the logic why not apply it to the Rafale that the IAF is looking to induct well Into the 2040s now? 5th gen will not be the mainstay for any large airforce ALL airforces larger than the IAF are investing in massive 4.5+ gen fleets USAF expanded F15EX commitments to ~300 units in recent months PLAAF has a massive and growing fleet of J10 and J11s RuAF with SU30s But only in India are indigenous fighters obsolete Why? Because they are an impediment to decades more import dependency? They’ll soon shift this logic to AMCA- in fact many already are Obsolete saaar 6th gen foreign project saaaar Come on @ShivAroor I thought you were better than this, you’re meant to be an indigenous champion

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GeoPolitical Astronomer.@GeoPolAstro·
@IXGguy How does it matter when manufacturing and ToT of critical tech are both being brought to India by 2029? Have you even read the details of this deal? Even the first proposals? Even if we can manufacture 100 r4s it will be 100 more aircrafts that mk2s by that time.
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PlaneCrazy@IXGguy·
In wartime his favorite dih giver France will show him the finger in order to avoid losing Chinese market access. Then all he'll be left with is to either lose the war or pivot to desi jahaaz. Ironically people fail to learn past lessons even to this day. France itself is an example of it given it indulged in similar peacetime nihilism to not produce its own aircraft and engines on time before WW2 descended upon them. The rest is history.
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@Neetivaan @Yathart19162568 @harshadmishra15 You sound like a 12 year old. The real logic is: Will we have ~200 mature and tested 4.5-gen fighters by 2040 that we can produce more of? Or just 1-2 squadrons of early Tejas Mk2? We can't sit on depleted squadrons nos. no matter whose balls (HAL/IAF/import) you're licking.
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ghatak@Neetivaan·
@harshadmishra15 Read it, paused it and read it again. It's a piece of absolute rubbish because if Mk1A and Mk2 are obsolete then so is Rafale and by means IAF won't be able to counter J-20s of China. So, 114 Rafales shouldn't be procured by this logic.
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Harshad@harshadmishra15·
Read this. Then pause and read again.
Vishnu Som@VishnuNDTV

Because the Rafale has already entered service with the Indian Air Force. An order has also been placed for the Indian Navy. The combined value of this - being paid for by tax payers is Rs.1,23,000 cr. Infra has been set up, the IAF is deeply invested in the jet. The first new Indian Navy Rafales start coming in by mid 2028. If India were to sign the deal for 114 more Rafales soon, you can expect deliveries to also begin by 2028-29. The first prototype of the Tejas Mk 2 has still not been rolled out. Even if it is rolled out tomorrow, it will not complete flight tests and start entering squadron service before 2035 - that's a seriously optimistic date - its essentially a brand new fighter. The question to be asked is whether India needs a brand new non-stealth 4th generation jet entering service in 2035 - i.e 30 years after the USAF first started indicating F-22s and at a time when the nature of airwarfare has changed completely. This isn't remotely to suggest that the Tejas Mk-2 will be a bad platform but the evolution of air warfare, the heavy dependence on stealth and the emergence of 6th generation platforms will render the Tejas Mk-2 significantly dated by the 2030s - obsolete from a basic design standpoint. That also goes for other existing IAF jets but since one isn't going to discard the Su-30 fleet not the recently acquired Rafale fleet, which has decades of operational life left, it makes it incumbent upon us, as a nation to make hard choices. The AMCA is India's make or break moment. I talk about FCAS - that's a futuristic requirement but it's AMCA that just has to be a gamechanger for the IAF first. And there are many skeptics who doubt that that will happen. In all this, at a time when the Chinese are fielding some of the most radical designs we have seen and already have 300 odd 5th generation J-20s in service, should we blindly endorse the continued induction of 100 plus Tejas Mk-2s at more than Rs.75,000 cr which will start entering service in meaningful numbers only a decade from now?

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Rishabh ☀️@RishabhSin21173·
@HQuarterma43504 Again made up things. First 'Indian made' Rafale will join service in 2032 if deal is signed this year or early 2027. Few will come in fly away condition. Let's assume 2033 as well, still better than 2040.
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DEFENCEGLOBE
DEFENCEGLOBE@defenceglobe·
How does @VishnuNDTV feel a 4.5.gen desi figher will be obsolete on arrival say 5 years later but also supports import of a french 4.5 gen aircraft for 40 billion USD. He thinks the imported ones will start arriving tomorrow?
Alpha Defense™🇮🇳@alpha_defense

We must look at this from another angle. When @VishnuNDTV says that Tejas Mk1A/Mk2 could be “obsolete on arrival,” a few important questions naturally arise: What timeframe is he referring to? Against which specific technologies or threats is this assessment being made? Does he hold a similar view about Rafale F4 and other contemporary 4.5-generation fighters? Is this assessment based on inputs from the IAF, simulations, operational analysis, or war-gaming outcomes? We should keep the discussion respectful and focus on asking meaningful questions. That is how a healthy debate develops, where different perspectives are examined, assumptions are challenged, and everyone learns something new.

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@defenceglobe @VishnuNDTV Rafaels have a historic 3-4 year lead time for orders around 30 aircrafts, you expect them to manufacture at scale for you by giving them orders of only 30 aircrafts at a time every 10 years (2016 for airforce and 2025 for navy)? lol.
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@sakthivel_cit93 Simply because it exists? Would you rather have 200+ Rafaels in inventory by 2040 or wait until 2040s to have 2-3 basic tejas mk2 squadrons and a depleted airforce? Tejas mk2 isnt obselete now, but it will be by its delivery/maturity date. Should we just wait until then?
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GeoPolitical Astronomer.@GeoPolAstro·
@Tsukuyomi2170 1: They call it obselete based on delivery/maturity dates. 2: India wont even have 10+ squadrons of Tejas mk1 + mk2 combined in 15 years, let alone AMCA. 3: FCAS can have a timeline of 2050, it will still be 2 full generations above what tejas will be by its mk4/5 variants.
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Tsukuyomi (EMALSpaglu)@Tsukuyomi2170·
what does it say about our state of affairs that the journalists who are supposed to question the government for its every decision is busy being it's lapdog These paid propagandists will call Tejas mk 1A and mk 2 obsolete but will fail to provide a single technology that Rafale will have which Tejas doesn't rendering them incomplete They will cry about AMCA stating that it's 15 years away yet they will stay quiet on the unrealistic timelines of FCAS which was 2040 7 years ago And when you question them instead of answer them they will bitch hue and cry about anonymous accounts And these are the journalists meant to preserve the freedom of speech
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@defenceglobe @VishnuNDTV What does the r4 have? It exists. We can't wait until 2040s with an ever reducing squadron strength just for HAL to manufacture state of the art gen 4.5 tejas mk2 at a squadron a year (if we are lucky).
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DEFENCEGLOBE
DEFENCEGLOBE@defenceglobe·
@GeoPolAstro @VishnuNDTV Whats there in r4 which mk2 doesnt have? Tbh a mk2 avionics/sensor wise is better than current rafale bud We should talk of rafale not even having a GaN radar atm or even HARMs for SEAD/DEAD missions
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