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For those switching over to #Mastodon find me here: @greg@tech.lgbt I don't use twitter much but it's good to see what the testing hive mind is up to. I'm hoping I can find the same over there.

@sshsergey @ragunathjawahar @AdamTornhill Yes @ragunathjawahar is right. Tests also suffer from being too verbose. What I removed was a lot of over-engineered and unused code, as a prelude to other refactoring/redesign efforts, to remove that extra cost and liability.

@ragunathjawahar @GregPaciga @AdamTornhill It added current time and time effort. Tests often benefit from being verbose. Raising abstraction and sophistication makes it more difficult to understand how tests work. Tests lifecycle and requirements are not same as code lifecycle. Rational balance is needed.

I've probably analysed 300+ codebases over the past decade. A common observation is that we developers are fairly conscious of the DRY principle...in application code. When it comes to test code, well, not so much. Consequently, some of the worst code I find tends to be in tests.

@simon_tomes I would love to know if there's a testing hangout! I'm setting up on @greg@tech.lgbt but still figuring things out

@jennydoesthings And stop saying we can't trust them, or that they lack some magical tester mindset

Someone asked in my recent keynote “how do we get devs to care about quality?” Stop joking that they’re the enemy. Words have power and every time you joke that you make dev cry or break things, you’re setting up an adversarial, unhealthy relationship.

@fishouthebox I think it's just because buzzwords are more successful memes than plain English.

I built a desktop back in 2013 and it survived 3 trips on moving trucks, but today carrying it from one room to another seems to have been the last straw. Aside from some loud fans it won't turn on at all 😞

@BeardedTesterUK I think it's friendlier for anything code-related, e.g. installing packages and using a terminal. That might just be because I'm much more used to it, but it's a big advantage to be on the same platform as the developers on my team (and dev teams are usually on mac)

Question for my tester friends. Do you use a Mac (work or personal)? If so what do you like about a Mac. From a long term Windows guy

@ckenst Fear at deploy time

What is a good testing metric you've used? Or What do you look for in a good testing metric?

If you do #TestAutomation in Toronto, I'm hiring 2 QA Engineers! One in #API testing a financial microservice system (java/spring), another doing #WebdriverIO UI + API (nextjs/typescript). Hybrid downtown. DMs are open.

@CAkehurstRyan @ministryoftest *sighs in Enterprise*

What do you think is the most misleading thing in the testing world?

new little song: "The Re-Org Rag (I'm My Own VP)"

Cool insights from @GregPaciga's #TQ2022 talk: - All of his team's "flaky" automated tests could be fixed by making improvements to the application itself - How a team approaches testing defines how agile they really are

It seems like in the last 6 months all my banks updated their sites to SPAs that share the same 2 bugs: (1) require a refresh after logging in to display anything and (2) fail to update balances after doing transactions.

If you're a QA doing UI testing, please do yourself (and me) a favour: learn a JavaScript framework and ditch Java. I don't care which one, honestly, but speaking the same language as devs is one of the best things you can do.

a debugging manifesto

Pro tip: Don't plagiarize your resume.

@DanAshby04 @CAkehurstRyan Alas, I've heard it multiple times in the last two weeks 😞

"We can't trust devs to test or produce quality code!" "Do you know their names?" "..." "Maybe start there."