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LFoxyIsBlue
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LFoxyIsBlue
@LFoxyIsBlue
SM64 // Perpetually on COPIUM // Mostly sharing cool videos ^-^ and daily xcam dump
انضم Ağustos 2022
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@AnymanKanno @Vad1en (I would prob reject anything with tick marks outside of notches, but vadien could tell you)
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@AnymanKanno glad to see the slidekick to the pole, real funny that it works
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@AnymanKanno Chach found a good clip if that's what you're looking for twitch.tv/kanno/clip/All…
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@AnymanKanno I was watching this route in the 2019 All Ideas video after circumark's last stream. I want this to work, plan on having fun with it when i plug in my console next
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@AnymanKanno I've wondered for so long if there was another way to do this and this might be it.
Still so hard but you fixed the angle while also being really fast
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@circumark994 @ikori_mario I think that is a common opinion. Cheese is not the spokesperson for the community and it was click-bait.
I cant speak for the English community either, but I think a lot of people do see this as controversial (but no one should be suggesting that ikori is cheating).
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@LFoxyIsBlue @ikori_mario the jp community is also not a monolith, just like the english community, so there isn’t a single concrete opinion.
however, I’ve seen many people who are upset with Cheese because of his video.
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@circumark994 @ikori_mario The videos that were made in the last week are inflammatory and not representative of the whole community over here.
But it does feel like a discussion is wanted and a decision (either way) is to be made.
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@circumark994 @ikori_mario Is there a concrete opinion in the JP community?
There are certainly many different views in the English community.
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@Andrewgspeedrun I also don't think the answer is coming in this thread/Twitter conversation. Just cool to see what other communities might think. Every game is gonna have nuance to push it one way or another.
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@LFoxyIsBlue all im saying is that theres really not a whole lot of differene between doing that and using an input display that is an external software.
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@Andrewgspeedrun I would want the input display wild west of 2 years ago to be unaccounted for. What was done then should be legal under current rules.
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@Andrewgspeedrun Well, it's not something we have to think about here really bc sm64 has lag and no emulator can ever match it.
That thought experiment has been played out and the response is "a cheater is going to cheat regardless of the rules". If they do this, they'll do something else.
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@LFoxyIsBlue You can accomplish everything outside of the game technically... let's say you fed the inputs into an emulator simultaneously. How is that any different?
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@Andrewgspeedrun The thing is, ideally we do not create rules with the idea of enforceability in mind.
If it's enforceable, that's an added benefit. But things like the analog to digital rule, are really hard to enforce if people were trying to cheat.
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@LFoxyIsBlue Actualy enforcing that is the bigger issue. But at the end of the day you're using an external program which gives you information relevant to the game itself. Even splits could be argued in this way but it's not giving you actual information about the game itself.
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@Andrewgspeedrun My opinion is that we should allow input display but disallow certain things in input displays:
A) Color indicators to tell you angle
B) Number values
C) Other forms of discretely telling your angle (tick marks outside of UDLR)
One thought is a whitelist of displays
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@LFoxyIsBlue well from the controller... which is effectively the game.
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@Andrewgspeedrun Yeah I think some people have that opinion. It's a weird concept tho. You can stream the input display but can't look at it lol
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@LFoxyIsBlue I mean I think for actually playing you shouldnt have the ability to see your inputs though you can explay them externally
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