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@RisingDisciples
If Western Christians ever woke up to God's provisions & promises, we'd be a real threat to the gates of hell. We've settled for institutional church instead ๐ด
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@RisingDisciples Youโre confusing (I hope out of ignorance) Calvinism with Hyper Calvinism.
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@Exodus15_11 Is your reply supposed to prove something?
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@RisingDisciples Amen!
Both "Christ" and "you" are mentioned in 1 Peter 1:20. Notice where Christ is. Notice where you are.
1 Peter 1:20 "He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake."
bible.com/bible/111/1pe.โฆ
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When people say โIt was Godโs plan for Joseph to be betrayed, sold, slandered, and imprisonedโ, theyโre not quoting Scripture.
Theyโre importing a philosophical assumption: that God must have intended every evil action in order to bring about a good outcome.
But the Bible itself never says that.
Joseph explicitly calls their actions evil:
โYou meant evil against meโฆโ (Genesis 50:20)
If God planned their sin, then Joseph is wrong to call it their intention and their evil.
โโฆbut God meant it for good, to bring it about that many people should be kept aliveโ (Genesis 50:20)
Notice the grammar:
-- They meant evil.
-- God meant good.
The text does not say:
-- โGod meant their evil.โ
-- โGod planned their betrayal.โ
-- โGod ordained their sin.โ
It says God took what they meant and repurposed it.
This is providence, not determinism.
The Bible never goes to God ordained evil. Instead, it consistently teaches:
-- Humans genuinely choose evil.
-- God is never the cause of evil.
-- God is powerful enough to redeem evil without having to cause it.
God didnโt plan the sin.
God planned the salvation that came through the sin.
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@OkNotThisTime In my view, it's more likely that a Jew / Gentile distinction is being made.
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@RisingDisciples Ephesians 1:4-5 does not say it's about all believers being predestined for Salvation. The context is those to whom the mystery of His will was made known. These are the apostles, as is described in Ephesians 3.
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The quote below collapses under Calvinism.
If God already chose who will be saved [& who wonโt], then your desire to โbring othersโ changes nothing.
The outcome isnโt in your hands. Itโs already decreed.
This quote assumes real human participation, which TULIP doesnโt allow
SpurgeonBooks@SpurgeonBooks
โIf you have no wish to bring others to heaven, you are not going there yourself.โ โ Charles Spurgeon
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Soft, fluffy, basically irrelevant proclamations like the post below, by @james_d_baird, do extremely well on "Christian" Twitter ๐

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โNo amount of persuasiveness,โ says @grcastleberry.
Paul: โWe persuade menโ (2 Cor 5:11)
And he โreasonedโฆpersuadingโ (Acts 18:4)
God works THROUGH the message; not apart from it, regardless of dogmatic decrees by Calvinists.

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@RisingDisciples You see Geno, thatโs called original sin, which literally everyone affirms except pelagians who were condemned as heretics. Hope this helps.
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Thuggy conveniently forgets to mention [or perhaps he's simply ignorant of the fact] that, under his Calvinism, ALL MEN were decreed to emerge from the womb as God-haters.
๐ฅฉ Thug Life Sproul โค๏ธ๐งช@ThugLifeSproul
@CherylSchatz In Cherylโs free will humanism man is ALWAYS the victim. She conveniently forgets to mention the sweet innocent victim hated God and freely remained in his sin.
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