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Blessed are all they that fear the Lord, and walk in his ways

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Richard Tarsitano ⚓️
Richard Tarsitano ⚓️@GodRemembrancer·
One will occasionally hear something like, "If the Tractarians or Caroline Divines were alive today, they would be ritualists, and so a priest should follow their spirit and add as much of the rituals of the pre-reformation rite as he can to the Anglican service." A critique of this position would begin with challenging the idea that one can add as much of the discarded rituals of the high Middle Ages as one would like and keep continuity with the Anglicans from Cranmer to Keble. It really is one or the other. The rhetorical "stolen base" of that original argument is revealed when we realize we simply cannot extrapolate from the lives and writings of the Caroline Divines and Tractarians that they would have embraced advanced ritualism. None of the Tractarians celebrated in the way embraced by the advanced ritualists except for Newman when he became a Roman Catholic. In fact, it is quite admirable that the Old High Church tradition stood for "saying the black and doing the red" against those non-conformists who would strip the service of its mandated ritual and those non-conformists who would add elements which reverse or muddle its intention. Of course, there was historic diversity in the celebration of the rite between 1550 and 1950, but to claim any diversity means those men would have been in favor of an everlasting drive towards increased ritualism would necessitate not a historical opinion but a lengthy visit with the Witch of Endor. Now, one can very much say that the needs of our time dictate advanced ritual and that it is the best thing for a particular parish or Anglican Way as the whole to embrace, but one cannot reinvent what it means to be connected to the past. One could say they were wrong, or that they didn't have the freedom or courage to enact what is now possible, but that is to critique them, not embrace them. I can't help but think of the thousands and thousands of churchmen who served parishes, year after year, confident that the reformed catholic liturgy of their church was the best way to keep mankind focused on the Word purely preached and the sacraments duly administered. It is quite easy to be in continuity with them, and in fact, I think it is the best thing for the Anglican Way. The myth that a gigantic number of people are just longing for the Tridentine Mass, much less the mass with sprinklings of Cranmer's prose (pre-burning), is not born out by the data at all. Rather, the Anglican Way should be positioning itself as a place for serious Christian discipleship where the durable structures of the past help spread the gospel. We should stop worrying about our services perfectly matching the evolving, spiritual journey of the pastor and stick to the discipline of a rule of life which the traditional Anglican Way built out of conflict and blood and faith. We know the ways of Jewel and Andrewes and Hooker and Parker and Keble work because we can actually look back and see the fruit, but we also have to stop thinking correct churchmanship is a way to avoid evangelism, for that too would be to abandon the witness of our forefathers. In short, in this age of flux, we should be giving serious thought not to how those who came before would think we are geniuses for doing things of which they never approved, and instead, humbly follow in their train, die, and pass the baton on to the next generation of saints.
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@PresbyInn Isn’t this far more “popish” than what the puritans were against?
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@sincead33 Okay fine, but that’s not really my point. Were the prophets temporary organs of new revelation during an unfinished canon or were they a perpetual interpretive authority supplementing Scripture? Your argument seems to require the latter although Scripture shows the former
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Kevin Fernandez@sincead33·
@divinetapestry Again, I’m not saying Scripture was insufficient. I’m saying Sola Scriptura is insufficient.
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Kevin Fernandez@sincead33·
An easy, no-brainer against Sola Scriptura is that it expects to do MUCH more with less. The Old Testament paradigm ordinarily had Scripture as the rule of faith except when God sent the extraordinary office of prophet to return Israel to the unity of faith. OT revelation was (1) simple: primarily concerned with the natural law, (2) for one nation, (3) for a short period of time: until the coming Messiah. NT revelation is more (1) sublime: God’s Triune nature, the Incarnation, the nature of grace, etc; (2) for all men in all nations; (3) for all times, not just until the next prophet comes and fixes things. Is it not irrational to expect less means (remember, no more extraordinary prophets) to accomplish more than what it couldn’t achieve before?
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@sincead33 But the prophets were not an infallible interpretive magisterium supplementing insufficient Scripture. They were themselves organs of divine revelation during the progressive giving of Scripture. And despite prophets, miracles, and judgments, Israel still apostatized.
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Kevin Fernandez
Kevin Fernandez@sincead33·
@divinetapestry I never said it was an insufficiency in revelation. It’s an insufficiency in Sola Scriptura.
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Drew Collins
Drew Collins@drewcollins·
There was an episcopal election in Texas that came to an impasse -- no, not the Diocese of the Western Gulf Coast but the REC Diocese of Mid-America. It was settled by drawing straws, which I find preferable to settling it in the College of Bishops.
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@uncle_deluge Thank you 🙏🏼 will try and get people in my parish to buy it
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Ante D. Luvian
Ante D. Luvian@uncle_deluge·
The Anglican 39 Articles mention two "Books of Homilies" which are, hypothetically, the second most important source of authority in the entire Church of England. They've been out print in all but extremely expensive academic editions for like 150 years. They were, anyway
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Richard Tarsitano ⚓️
Richard Tarsitano ⚓️@GodRemembrancer·
Periodic reminder that Anglicans have traditionally remembered Cranmer, Latimer, and Ridley as martyrs and responded to their incredible courage with a resolve to stand firm for the Christian truth they died in defending. Go and do likewise.
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Josiah ✞🌲@smokingflax_·
My pet conure keeps gnawing on my shirt and I forgot to shave, so now I look like a bum.
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@MateyYanakiev Didn't know you had a channel. Subscribed
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@Massachusite @AndrewForFaith Somebody posted a picture of a dog fetus saying "this is not a human" or something like that to try and make a gotcha to people who are pro-life
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☩ Andrew ⚓️
☩ Andrew ⚓️@AndrewForFaith·
Dog fetus or human fetus, I think terminating any pregnancy of human or animal is evil.
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@Hidd3nTimobo You don’t think Bayern will pull it off in the 2nd leg?
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@GnomeBasedman He's going to need to put on more weight to try and avoid that
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