@hanashanalana @AgentSheryl Yup that’s true, that’s also part of the problem. The companies and the industries as well
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@wednesdaymultii @AgentSheryl Isn't this hypocritical? They complain that the idols are uniformed about the source material, while they themselves are uninformed about the people they criticise. At best, I would blame the companies for leaving this as trivia idols reveal in random interviews
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more often than not they actually do credit Black people for being their inspiration and the only people saying otherwise is people that aren’t kpop fans and those that don’t listen when artists in korea speak
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this kpop black culture debate keeps happening bc they refuse to rightfully credit black americans for their contributions to music. instead they get racist and dismiss it even further
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@wednesdaymultii Our humanity and community is important to US, and should be treated as such, I'm just not ever going to act like it's important to anyone else, so I move as such.
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@NineOuh90 Okay, I see what you mean. In that case the money is the most important? I can see how that can uplift Black American communities, but if it’s only about profit and not humanity too (they can work together), can’t that be problematic in the long term?
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@wednesdaymultii I see no value in appeals to morality, or appealing to other people to recognize our humanity. I'm far too grown for all that. So the only way forward is ownership, and strict cultural standards.
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@NineOuh90 Mm I see, that’s very true. Despite this being the ideal way to go, do you see that people are at least trying to attack it from several angles (telling people about the Black roots of a lot of global music, specifically Kpop in this instance)?
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@wednesdaymultii It mostly comes down to the fact that they have govt entities that work hard to protect said cultural artifacts.
Black Americans can't go that route though becuase they are a subaltern element within empire.
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@nognogsunog123 They get mad at other people appropriating as well, you just may have not seen it but it happens
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There is no credit to be given, kpop is part of Korean culture, i don’t see u niigers getting mad at europeans, latin americans for copying rap music they have their own versions of hiphop over there, Why are u niigs only mad at korea? 😂 cause kpop are outdoing black artists?😂
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this kpop black culture debate keeps happening bc they refuse to rightfully credit black americans for their contributions to music. instead they get racist and dismiss it even further
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@_biangbiangmian People point out cultural appropriation in American pop all the time
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@NineOuh90 Also, do you think there are examples of cultures that have done a good job of this?
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Black people would have to, as they say, be "On Code"
And any deviation from said code should mean cultural excommunication.
It would also require black people get much less friendly with others when it comes to profit sharing and investment in entertainment.
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@NineOuh90 curiosity and wanting to learn)? I think telling people about the mistreatment happening once it is sold is still important as well (since once it is sold it continues to be commodified)
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@NineOuh90 Mm I see, interesting. I’ve heard of something like this before, like “cultural gatekeeping?”
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@NineOuh90 curiosity and wanting to learn)? I think telling people about the mistreatment happening once it is sold is still important as well (since once it is sold it continues to be commodified)
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@NineOuh90 I partially agree with that. Black Americans own their culture socially, but not economically like what you are saying. That’s a good point. How can Black Americans go to the root of the cause and effectively gain economic rights back to their own culture (I’m asking this out of
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You people do not own your culture, it is a product sold by American capital. Get over it lmao.
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this kpop black culture debate keeps happening bc they refuse to rightfully credit black americans for their contributions to music. instead they get racist and dismiss it even further
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@NineOuh90 Well, some people do care, that is why these conversations are being had
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@wednesdaymultii Nobody cares is what I'm trying to say. And no amount of moral grandstanding will change that.
There is no "Cultural Appropriation Bureau" for settling claims of cultural ownership and credit giving, no one cares enough. This is frivolous fluff culture to them, get over it.
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@jeoongguri @Lotuswhale613 I hope you can get some rest! It’s definitely getting late 😭
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@jeoongguri @Lotuswhale613 Yes, that’s understandable. A lot of online conversations like this are a lot of people coming at each other with their own worldviews and perspectives but not allowing space for learning and understanding. I always try to understand both perspectives and meet people there
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So Koreans should only do traditional Korean music? Should non-black people in the west stop making rap, house, rock, r&b, and other music because its from black people? We should learn only opera and classical music? Yodeling?
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@flipthattt Not even just pink, kpop is basically entirely just. Ripped from black culture entirely
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@NineOuh90 Okay, two things can be true at once. I think it’s nice that people find Black culture cool, but they can do that while also acknowledging their influence. Maybe some people may not say things in the most graceful way because they are tired of this kind of mistreatment
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@wednesdaymultii No, they're haranguing Asians for doing stuff they think is cool divorced from any cultural context, and refusing to show grace to fellow victims of imperialism.
I don't like kpop either, but I'm not going to act like it's a moral failing of some kind. It is what it is.🤷🏿♂️
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@NineOuh90 Exactly, at least we’re on the same team about that. American imperialism and white supremacy are the problem. So why don’t we fight to change that? That’s what Black Americans are trying to do by claiming what’s theirs
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@wednesdaymultii Lmao, go do that. Nobody is going to care, and folks will keep cosplaying ameriblacks culture. It is a losing battle all around. This only changes when American imperialism dies.
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@NineOuh90 Exactly, and that’s the problem. Erasure and whitewashing at its finest. This is why Black Americans are so insistent on claiming and acknowledging their culture
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@wednesdaymultii By not owning the means of cultural production and profiteering. Next to none of the major business entities that own black cultural intellectual properties are owned by actual black people.
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@jeoongguri @Lotuswhale613 I would implore you to share what you’ve learned with others so we can continue to understand each other better as communities, and respect each other as well
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@jeoongguri @Lotuswhale613 Yayy I’m glad you’ve come to understand! Yes, all you’ve said is true. Are you Korean yourself? I see some of your tweets are in Korean. That’s why these conversations are important, to bridge that misunderstanding or lack of context between communities
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@jeoongguri @Lotuswhale613 I would implore you to share what you’ve learned with others so we can continue to understand each other better as communities, and respect each other as well
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@wednesdaymultii @Lotuswhale613 But you see, a lot of people in korea do not have kind of background knowledge. So its kinda hard to relate when this kind of conversation is brought up.(We do know that black-americans are oppressed, but the acknowledgement part? Not so much.)
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