Can we please just tell the truth

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Can we please just tell the truth

Can we please just tell the truth

@FloodingLong

please just tell the damn truth

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Can we please just tell the truth
Can we please just tell the truth@FloodingLong·
@YObscurities @lukeisamazing UnitedHealthcare’s profit margins are at like half the US avg. Unless/until the government passes universal healthcare legislation, it must have some profit margin to continue existing/providing the service it does. What they do is just not equivalent to your poetic analogy.
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The Horrible Floating Head
The Horrible Floating Head@YObscurities·
@FloodingLong @lukeisamazing The man who hoards food while others starve in a famine is a monster. The man who manages to hoard so much food that others starve in a time of plenty is a worse monster, but is on the cover of Forbes.
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Thunderbolt
Thunderbolt@ligmathong·
@Lipripper069 @FloodingLong thats not even a trick question 😭😭 so you are capable of understanding nuance, look at you go. so how can you excuse varying levels of murder , but not understand that about stealing, which results in no death if i do it
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Noot Noot🐧
Noot Noot🐧@PunishedPingu·
Hasan's biggest issue is he speaks about difficult topics with a TON of nuance. It's just not something modern internet culture is capable of handling. Its all about quick clips and assumptions, substance is all out the window.
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@YObscurities @lukeisamazing Lol, that Nazis are not equivalent to healthcare CEOs morally doesn’t invalidate an argument that Twain’s basically just saying without justification that it’s suspicious we focus on personal mass murder rather than the deaths that result from scarcity.
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Can we please just tell the truth
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@wroughttt @instain_mother Yes I’m aware that if you reverse which deaths were caused by non-personal forces like sickness and which were directly caused by a person acting violently, your view suddenly seems justified.
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Wrought
Wrought@wroughttt·
@FloodingLong @instain_mother You seem to be misunderstanding. The preventable deaths are those who are actually victims of the healthcare system, whose insurance is denied for frivolous purposes to the benefit of the ultra wealthy, like Brian Thomas, whose death was a natural consequence of the above.
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マクロス instain mother
マクロス instain mother@instain_mother·
This is the danger of being a socialist who has to react to the news. Youll have to write paragraphs to answer for the murder of a Brian Thompson but capitalists will never have to explain why its okay for people to die prematurely or go into debt for the sake of a health insurer
Kelsey Piper@KelseyTuoc

Piker's views on theft are bad, but they really do pale in comparison to his views on murder: that the important thing about Brian Thompson's murder is that healthcare CEOs are 'engaging in a tremendous amount of social murder' due to 'the structural violence of 'poverty'

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Wrought
Wrought@wroughttt·
@instain_mother Her position seems to be that preventable deaths caused by the us' broken healthcare system are regrettable tragedies caused by a flawed system that must never change in any serious way
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Can we please just tell the truth
Can we please just tell the truth@FloodingLong·
@YObscurities @lukeisamazing Assuming this is real and you mean that killing him actually helped stop it in some way rather than you just being judge jury and executioner to no gain, later in life: he was an accomplice to actual mass murder, so no, different case entirely from “social murder.”
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The Horrible Floating Head
The Horrible Floating Head@YObscurities·
@FloodingLong @lukeisamazing I killed a man who did nothing but conscientiously complete paperwork to make sure that the operation he was part of worked smoothly. He never hurt a fly. The operation in question was Dachau. Does that make any difference?
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kappa
kappa@airbrushpen·
@FloodingLong @FlyinMackenzie @lukeisamazing This is such peak liberal pathology showing through. Your entire conception of politics is based on you being a goody good boy and everybody else needs to recognize and be impressed by your virtue. No goals, no vision, no project, just pure masturbatory moralism
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Can we please just tell the truth
Can we please just tell the truth@FloodingLong·
@spaceghostmane It’s the closest to being murder (because it’s a magical just-so button) and would be intensely evil, but it would not be murder if you didn’t cause the thing that’s killing me. The difference matters because reciprocity is a huge part of when actual violence is justified.
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cash♻️💸🫴🏽
cash♻️💸🫴🏽@spaceghostmane·
@FloodingLong If someone paid me 5 dollars to not press a button that kept you alive, it would be murder even if you were dying anyway.
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Can we please just tell the truth
Can we please just tell the truth@FloodingLong·
By violence here I don’t mean the narrow sense of involving punching and kicking etc., but rather that the death was a result of you acting from the outside to cause a death that would not have occurred otherwise, or aiding someone who does. If a given insurance company didn’t exist, the person’s sickness wouldn’t magically go away. The insurance company did not make them sick. There’s also no evidence at all that the insurance company maliciously wants the person in question to die. Therefore there is no grounds to call a failure to provide coverage “murder.” It may be evil but it’s not murder. Otherwise everyone including the hospital who refuses to provide care without insurance would be murderers.
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meghan mancain x
meghan mancain x@a_luffa·
@FloodingLong i don't think the louvre heist being cooler than 7000 crypto scams is an endorsement of robbing museums.
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Thunderbolt@ligmathong·
@Lipripper069 @FloodingLong @PunishedPingu Normal people steal and commit small crimes almost daily. no one is making up excuses, they are presenting a worldview that you dont agree with, but the fact that youre too stupid to comprehend it is your fault not theirs
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Can we please just tell the truth
Can we please just tell the truth@FloodingLong·
I view the canceling of USAID as objectively evil. That said, you just cannot frame it as murder. What you're implying is that if you ever offer charity to someone, you may not retract it w/o becoming morally responsible for the issue you were trying to solve in the first place.
Dr. Émile P. Torres (they/them)@xriskology

Bullshit. "Smarter" people just have different means of enacting violence. Musk is "smart," yet is responsible for murdering 14 million people (far worse than anything Ted Bundy did). The United CEO was probaby "smart," yet responsible for untold misery in the world. Bullshit!

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Can we please just tell the truth
Can we please just tell the truth@FloodingLong·
@dog_gotta @TFTSAA @HeerJeet I said you gave up because you literally gave up on talking about it normally and shifted to mocking in lieu of replying substantively. Same goes w/ the apparent need to slip in comments about my being normal or not, lol.
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Big Dog Gotta Eat
Big Dog Gotta Eat@dog_gotta·
@FloodingLong @TFTSAA @HeerJeet you did the thing I said you shouldn’t do and then acted like you won. So if your goal was to convince me that you were abnormal, mission accomplished, I won’t try to argue any differently.
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Jeet Heer
Jeet Heer@HeerJeet·
One reason Piker discourse is so tiresome is his critics constantly misrepresent the plain meaning of his words.
Matt Bruenig@MattBruenig

@KelseyTuoc I think you've pretty clearly misrepresented Piker here. He was asked to theorize why some people reacted to the killing positively. And his theory is that they did so due to the disgust with health insurance sector's "social murder," which is a well-defined term of art.

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Can we please just tell the truth@FloodingLong·
@xriskology On the contrary, causal explanations are often framed as moral excuses, despite not actually providing any excuse. That said, choosing a phrase like "social murder" (I know it's originally from Engels) is pretty clearly laundering literal murder as a response.
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Dr. Émile P. Torres (they/them)
Dr. Émile P. Torres (they/them)@xriskology·
A causal explanation is a not a moral excuse. Everything Piker says here is on point. Structural violence is still violence: create a structure that inflicts pain and misery on people, and some are going to fight back. (Not the same as: some ought to fight back.)
Pirate Wires@PirateWires

In a new NYT interview, Hasan Piker says that many “understand” Luigi Mangione killing United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson because Thompson himself was guilty of “social murder”

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Can we please just tell the truth
Can we please just tell the truth@FloodingLong·
@dog_gotta @TFTSAA @HeerJeet I think saying "America fucking deserved 9/11" is a transparently inflammatory thing to say, and so attempting to wrangle it into a more nuanced and charitable interpretation serves no purpose but to run defense for the person who said it. Trump supporters commonly do the same.
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Big Dog Gotta Eat
Big Dog Gotta Eat@dog_gotta·
@FloodingLong @TFTSAA @HeerJeet I typically utilize context to suss whether someone is saying something that makes sense or if they are saying something that is the most willfully uncharitable interpretation that only serves to make them look ridiculous, but I’m normal.
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