Son of Stigma ☦️

What shifted me to perennialism was the issue of doxastic involuntarism. Humans are unable to choose what they truly believe. They can practice , but that’s contingent on many aspects. But true belief is dependant on the mind being compelled.

@GabrielSaidR @YouTube Rather than directly through an established Christian community in the Hijaz. And the subsequent Rashiduns would be ruling over Christian regions who are not far from the Hijaz but again this doesn’t necessitate substantial presence for knowledge and cultural exchange.

@GabrielSaidR @YouTube Well the simple Islamic position this is just the all knowing God revealing things that will be understood and heard by Christian’s wherever later on. But there were Christian communities in the peninsular, knowledge of these things can spread through trade routes etc

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@Onizuka_Onibaku @cappadocianisms @ProfilStandard Yep, but Christian traditions already has mysticism my point being he doesn’t have to look toward Sufism to find it. Albeit he is correct there is beauty in their articulation of it.

@From_Stigmata @cappadocianisms @ProfilStandard Which were influenced by Platonism if we play that game.

christo-sufism…. that’s very much the tradition we’re a part of

@lisa90i2 @cappadocianisms @ProfilStandard I’m not talking about the practices of Sufism I’m talking about the cultural milieu it exists in and its mysticism was naturally influenced by it

@From_Stigmata @cappadocianisms @ProfilStandard I'll save you the trouble to not look into it cause it isn't true. Sufism is very exclusively an islamick thing

@lisa90i2 @cappadocianisms @ProfilStandard Via the Syriacs

@From_Stigmata @cappadocianisms @ProfilStandard Which(not true Obv)?

@cappadocianisms @ProfilStandard Christian mysticism? A lot of Sufism was inspired by Christian Mystics.

@ProfilStandard but yea no I’m not actually a sufist lmao i just consider several non-dual articulations in sufism to be correct and adequate expressions of the dynamics of truth that are revealed to the intellect.

@IjazTheTrini @maranathamatt Yes , I think the scholarly consensus is that Epistle to the Philippians 2:6–11 is Paul drawing from pre existing High Christology traditions. But yes he formalises his perceived encounter within LXXX. He interprets his encounter under a Jewish Greco-Roman lens.

@From_Stigmata @maranathamatt IIRC Paul draws more from the LXX in his letters than from a gospel source/ tradition, but I do believe he had access to those traditions/ logai.

Let's answer your questions: [[What and where is the book revealed to Jesus?]] The Injīl is a revelation given to Christ Jesus, containing teachings about the six articles of faith and the sharīʿah, see Qurʾān 3:48-63. This is attested to by the gospel of Mark which reads, “τοῦ εὐαγγελίου Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ” (the gospel which Jesus Christ brings), where Mark 1:1 is rendered in the subjective genitive. Where is it? Mostly lost to history, God did not promise to preserve it, but rather the opposite when proceeded by the final revelation to mankind, the Qurʾān, which God did promise to preserve, see Qurʾān 2:106, 15:9. [[Let me guess, Allah couldn’t protect it and it has been lost?]] Let's use that same logic for the gospels, where are the autographic/ ausgangstext texts? Since you can't find them, does that mean your (conception of) God couldn't protect his word?

@IjazTheTrini @maranathamatt Do you think Paul ever drew from this ‘existing sources’ in the Epistles, and the Philippians in particular?

That's hard to say, the sayings gospels (and perhaps the Injīl) were clearly early and constituted a rich κήρυγμα/ λογαι dataset. It's within the realm of reason that the original teachings of Christ Jesus likely survived as a coherent source until 70 CE, after which the gentile churches flourished with their own literary traditions and writings in the voice of Jesus (ipsissima vox).

@KermoTP1 @IjazTheTrini It’s influenced by later Gnostics who developed it with their own existing theological priors. But you have that with the Biblical Gospels. Wisdom Christology, High Christology etc.

@IjazTheTrini @From_Stigmata Actually its known forgery mutch mutch later and is pushed aside by 99% of scholars so thats a lie.

@stewjo004 @IjazTheTrini The work in deciphering what the historic Jesus of Nazareth actually said is a fascinating part of scholarship imo. Obviously I don’t believe in the Islamic position, but the beatitudes are reliable as to what Jesus said too.

@From_Stigmata @IjazTheTrini Yes, I personally hold the opinion the parables are the Injeel

@IjazTheTrini Thankyou I’ll make a purchase of this book.

@From_Stigmata Yes. This book was particularly useful for comparisons with it and the 4 canonical gospels.

An interesting consensus among those in biblical studies is that there ironically, is no concept of strict 'monotheism' in the Hebrew Bible. What really happened is that originally it became polytheistic, and then transitioned into a monolatry, then into monotheism. 🧵 #biblicalstudies #bible #ancientisrael #religion

The Bible, as a collection of texts, doesn’t function with coercive authority apart from communities that receive, interpret, and enforce it. Meaning and application are socially negotiated; however, a fuller account recognized across mainstream biblical studies and...🧵

@lucus090909 So God does ontologically cares about us. He even provides messages to our benefit. We could easily land on participatory metaphysics here.

@From_Stigmata Second

Christian spirituality is just lets imagine a friend who cares about us

@stewjo004 @historenthusias @IjazTheTrini Yep God can’t die. Removing existing priors other than classical theism. Could he incarnate and experience the act of dying within a mortal body? I guess. That wouldn’t be God dying though yeah.

@From_Stigmata @historenthusias @IjazTheTrini Then God did not die

“We killed God.” My guy, if your God can be killed then by definition he isn't a God. There is no one equal to or greater than God, no power or might stronger than Him.

@stewjo004 @historenthusias @IjazTheTrini In Christian and Islamic doctrine. Death is defined as separation of soul from body. God as a divine entity does not have a soul. So can’t die in His divine nature.He could experience death as a being if he were to incarnate but that’s experience a human death not a divine one.

@historenthusias @IjazTheTrini It contradicts God's attribute as "The Ever Living." Plus, if through His will, existence is maintained, His death then naturally ends it

The woodwork depicting the fall and human depravity is something to beholden. The religion of Christianity inspired so much beautification.

I was at Hever castle today. Anne Boleyn had a prayer room that you can you feel the deep spirituality of. Nothing fancy, but beauty doesn’t need fancifulness