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The three versions of Paul’s Damascus road story in Acts seem to have some inconsistencies when you line them up, especially around what his companions actually experienced, let take a look:
Acts 9:7 (Luke narrating): The men traveling with him ‘stood speechless, hearing a voice but seeing no one.’ So they heard something (a voice/sound) but didn’t see anyone.
Acts 22:9 (Paul speaking to a Jewish crowd): He says his companions ‘saw the light’ but ‘did not hear the voice of the one who was speaking to me.’ Now it’s the opposite, they saw the light but didn’t hear the voice.
Acts 26 (Paul before Agrippa): It mentions that ‘we had all fallen to the ground’ when the light appeared (implying the companions felt the full impact and fell too), and it adds extra dialogue from Jesus like ‘It is hard for you to kick against the goads.’ But it skips stuff from the other accounts, like Paul’s immediate blindness or Ananias healing him later.
It feels like flip-flopping: Did the companions hear a voice/sound or not? Did they see the light, hear something, both, or what?
And why do details change, like whether they stayed standing (Acts 9) or all fell down (Acts 26)?
These shifts look suspicious, like the story was tweaked or emphasized differently depending on who Paul/Luke was talking to. It makes the whole thing seem less like eyewitness consistency and more like adapted retellings, which raises questions about how reliable the accounts really are.
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@JohnnySpivens @TWGlobalEccl yeah he did. On the way to Damascus and miraculous fashion.
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The three versions of Paul’s Damascus road story in Acts seem to have some inconsistencies when you line them up, especially around what his companions actually experienced, let take a look:
Acts 9:7 (Luke narrating): The men traveling with him ‘stood speechless, hearing a voice but seeing no one.’ So they heard something (a voice/sound) but didn’t see anyone.
Acts 22:9 (Paul speaking to a Jewish crowd): He says his companions ‘saw the light’ but ‘did not hear the voice of the one who was speaking to me.’ Now it’s the opposite, they saw the light but didn’t hear the voice.
Acts 26 (Paul before Agrippa): It mentions that ‘we had all fallen to the ground’ when the light appeared (implying the companions felt the full impact and fell too), and it adds extra dialogue from Jesus like ‘It is hard for you to kick against the goads.’ But it skips stuff from the other accounts, like Paul’s immediate blindness or Ananias healing him later.
It feels like flip-flopping: Did the companions hear a voice/sound or not? Did they see the light, hear something, both, or what?
And why do details change, like whether they stayed standing (Acts 9) or all fell down (Acts 26)?
These shifts look suspicious, like the story was tweaked or emphasized differently depending on who Paul/Luke was talking to. It makes the whole thing seem less like eyewitness consistency and more like adapted retellings, which raises questions about how reliable the accounts really are.
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@JohnnySpivens @TWGlobalEccl A voice named... Jesus!!!
It was Jesus, speaking in Hebrew.
He told him he was a minister.
But to clarify .... Most of the New Testament referred back to the Old Testament and offered Believers Freedom in Christ Jesus with His New Covenant.
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@PhysicistTx @AtheistPhoenix Don’t dump your personal unhappiness and your shitty job choice on other people simply because someone dared to challenge your religion.
Man up kid.
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@InverseNebula @AtheistPhoenix Sixth grade Science class was hard, wasn’t it? Don’t fret, you don’t need to know any science to operate the fryer at Burger King. Just remember, when the buzzer sounds, pull those French fries out!

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And without any direct eyewitnesses, it’s all built on faith anyway. True science demands that you can observe something, test it directly, and reproduce the same results under the same conditions. If you can’t do that, if you’re just piecing together indirect clues from the distant past then it’s not real science. It’s speculation dressed up as fact, no different from religious belief.
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@InverseNebula @AtheistPhoenix Here’s a web site I’m POSITIVE you’re afraid to read:
35 Ways Evolution Is Proven All Around Us
sciencesensei.com/35-ways-evolut…
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And without any direct eyewitnesses, it’s all built on faith anyway. True science demands that you can observe something, test it directly, and reproduce the same results under the same conditions. If you can’t do that, if you’re just piecing together indirect clues from the distant past then it’s not real science. It’s speculation dressed up as fact, no different from religious belief.
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@InverseNebula @AtheistPhoenix Microevolution = small genetic shifts within a species over generations.
Macroevolution = those small shifts stacked over deep time, producing new species and major biological changes.
We bred dogs for 20k years. Micro.
Theropod dinos emerging from birds. Macro.
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@InverseNebula @AtheistPhoenix What prevents micro from resulting in macro?
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@ErichKays @AtheistPhoenix When we return to the fundamentals, there’s actually no direct, observable, or experimentally testable evidence for macroevolution.
But sure 👍
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@InverseNebula @AtheistPhoenix That's like saying you accept centimeters but not kilometers.
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👉The 70th week:
171–164 BC (7 years), with the intense persecution in the latter half (3.5 years), ending with Antiochus’s death and temple rededication.
👉The covenant confirmed/strengthened
Antiochus IV’s agreement with Hellenizing Jews to adopt Greek customs, which he later strengthened by installing Menelaus and escalating persecution.
👉Abomination of desolation and mid-week halt to sacrifices
Antiochus’s desecration in 167 BC erecting a Zeus altar over the Jewish altar, sacrificing a pig, banning sacrifices for 3.5 years.
Antiochus IV would be the answer.
Mark Wilson@mdwilson07
@Greenmatador03D Who was the antichrist?
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There is a contradiction here:
How can one find righteousness through a belief that contradicts the very commandments YHWH established?
𝕄𝕚𝕤𝕤𝕪@yesiwetmyplants
Christ is the end of the Law for righteousness to everyone who believes
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@InverseNebula @FarmingWithYHWH @FringeViews Yes that’s a fun one skipped during cherry picking by Christians however The Torah and Tanakh are loaded with examples of collective punishment and reward which brings us to today with zombie brained rabbis teaching about wiping out the memory of amalek.
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This reminds me of Rabbi Toviah Singer saying Christians are weak losers because we believe we must account for our individual sins whereas Jews believe that you can do whatever you like and if things get bad enough eventually God will let us know by killing everyone.
Marc Andreessen 🇺🇸@pmarca
Introspection = neuroticism x narcissism x thumbsucking.
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@JohnnySpivens @ajakubczyk2077 @AnswerIsLibrty @TheSkepticWiz Also if you compare Jude to 2 Peter 2 it’s a copy.
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@ajakubczyk2077 @AnswerIsLibrty @TheSkepticWiz Paul said, (not the other way around) he received the right hand of fellowship from Peter, James, and John in Gal. I believe you meant 2 Peter 3:16. Problem is, the actual author of 2 Peter is unknown and written long after the Apostles died. 2 Pet 3:4 KJV.
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John 10:33
The Jews say: “for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
But Jesus immediately corrects them in the next three verses (10:34-36):
“Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?”
He quotes Psalm 82 word for word where human judges are literally called “gods” and “sons of the Most High” yet they still die like mortals. The original Greek speaking audience knew Psalm 82 perfectly.
Jesus is saying: “Scripture calls men gods, so my claim to be God’s Son isn’t blasphemy.” He never says “I am God.” He says the opposite. “I and the Father are one” (v30) uses the exact same Greek word for unity (hen) that he prays for believers to have in John 17. If that means “same divine substance,” then every Christian is also God. It’s clearly unity of purpose and mission.
John 8:58
“Before Abraham was born, I am!” (“ego eimi”).
Sure, it echoes Exodus 3:14. But the same phrase is used by the healed blind man in John 9:9 (“I am the one”) with zero divinity claim. Jesus is claiming pre-existence and authority, not “I am Yahweh, the one true God.” And again they tried to stone him. That proves they thought it was blasphemous; it doesn’t prove Jesus was actually claiming full deity or that the audience universally understood it that way.
John 20:28
Thomas says “My Lord and my God!”
Jesus doesn’t correct him on the spot. Fair. But John 20:17, the resurrected Jesus says: “I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and my God.” Jesus has a God. He distinguishes himself from God. If he’s literally God, why does he keep saying he has a God?
One emotional exclamation from Thomas doesn’t override Jesus’ own repeated statements.
John 17
Jesus prays that believers “may be one as we are one” (v22) so the world will believe. Same language. Same unity. If “we are one” means ontological Trinity level oneness, then every believer becomes part of the Godhead too. No Trinitarian actually believes that. It’s relational unity, love, purpose, mission. Exactly what the whole chapter is about.
Your pastor reads entire chapters? Great, read these entire chapters and you’ll see Jesus repeatedly calls God “my God,” submits to Him, says “the Father is greater than I” (John 14:28), and gets raised by God (Acts 2:32). The Synoptic Gospels (Mark, Matthew, Luke) don’t even have these dramatic claims. John is the latest, most theological Gospel, written decades later.
The “original Greek audience knew exactly what He was claiming”?
👉Then why did it take 300 years of fierce debate, excommunications, and the Council of Nicaea to force the Trinity doctrine?
👉Because it wasn’t obvious from the text, it was theology layered on top.
You gave four proof texts. Every single one falls apart in context.
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Yeah, so? Let’s read literally 3 verses later in John 10:33. The Jews picked up stones to kill Him. Why? They tell Him exactly why: '...for blasphemy, because YOU, being a man, MAKE YOURSELF GOD.' The original Greek audience knew exactly what He was claiming.
Also, if Jesus never claimed to be God, why did He take the divine name 'I AM' in John 8:58 (they tried to stone Him again for that)? Why did He accept Thomas calling Him 'My Lord and my GOD' in John 20:28 without correcting him?
In John 17, Jesus prays our relational unity reflects His ontological unity with the Father. My pastor reads entire chapters. Yours gives you out-of-context soundbites.
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Yes, there are thousands of interpretations out there. But careful reading comprehension really cuts through the noise and reveals what the text is actually saying.
For example:
The Torah’s clear teaching, especially in verses like Deuteronomy 24:16; is that no one gets executed (or bears the death penalty) because of someone else’s wrongdoing. Each person is accountable only for their own actions. This principle rules out the idea of one innocent person literally dying as a substitute punishment to pay for another’s guilt or sins, as well as the concept of original sin. Both ideas fail when the text is read with careful comprehension.
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@FarmingWithYHWH @FringeViews I'm so in love with these debates. They always devolve into battles of interpretation of which there are tens of thousands.
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Yeshayah (Isaiah) 56:6-8
Also the sons of the foreigner who join themselves to יהוה, to serve Him, and to love the Name of יהוה, to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant – them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their slaughterings are accepted on My slaughter-place, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.” The Master יהוה, who gathers the outcasts of Yisra’ĕl, declares, “I gather still others to him besides those who are gathered to him.
According to the prophet Isaiah, speaking the words YHWH gave him
Those who keep His Sabbath and hold fast to His covenant are the ones He will bring to His holy mountain. That means you don’t have to be Jewish. I wish more Christians would actually read the Tanakh themselves instead of blindly following preachers who don’t know what they’re talking about.
𝕄𝕚𝕤𝕤𝕪@yesiwetmyplants
@YahwehGraced Are you a Jew under the Mosaic Law?
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God wasn’t literally married to Israel, the marriage language is an analogy. This is obvious in Jeremiah 3, where He also calls them His daughters and sons/children in the surrounding verses.
The entire family and marital dialogue is figurative imagery meant to illustrate the covenant relationship.
You’d do well to stop echoing the misleading claims from 119 Ministries and actually read the Tanakh yourself.
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@YahwehGraced You didn't. HE DID. He said many times he would divorce israel. Your tweet implied Yeshua is NOT YHVH. If that is true, then YHVH didn't divorce Israel. That's my point and question for you if you contend Yeshua is t YHVH
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Growing up I was taught Roman Catholicism was the antichrist system.
But now, Now I see it differently.
Catholicism and Protestant Christianity are parts of same tree, which empowered by Constantine and his empire, watered by Greek philosophy, and bearing fruit that looks nothing like the Torah-keeping, Sabbath-observing, Hebrew covenant faith of Yeshua and his disciples.
Christianity as the world knows it is not the faith of the apostles. It is a new religion, enforced by imperial power at Nicaea in 325 AD by a man who, after his alleged conversion, boiled his wife Fausta alive and executed his own son Crispus. Definitely not the fruits of someone with Yeshua’s Holy Spirit.
That is the man who gave the church its political throne. That is the man whose empire criminalized Sabbath observance and Torah practice. That is the man whose empire the (false) church baptized as holy.
The beast isn’t just the Vatican as I once believed. It’s the entire Christian system, both Catholicism and Protestantism, that replaced the faith once delivered to the saints. No, this was the system that persecuted the ones who held fast to that faith.
Reject man made Christianity.
Reject the man made Trinity.
Reject man made Sunday worship
These were conceived in lies and deceit, and enforced by sword and death.
Then I heard another voice from heaven saying,
“Come out of her, my people,
lest you take part in her sins,
lest you share in her plagues; (Revelation 18:4, ESV)
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@MattSmethurst @WesleyLHuff @StevenBartlett Who wants to spend eternity with people dealing with severe self-esteem issues?
Fuck that shit.
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“Heaven isn’t full of good people. Heaven is full of people who understand they’re not good enough.”
—@WesleyLHuff to @StevenBartlett
Bold. Clear. Kind.
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@esotericmoss @InverseNebula @Optilous Paul was a liar and a con man. Created his own cult with 45,000 denominations.
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If the NT appears to say or imply that something is a sin, but you cannot find where Torah says it's a sin, then you do not understand the NT. And I also don't have to listen to you, because those who don't understand the NT invariably break the commandment to not add to or subtract from God's commandments.
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