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@RocketJimmer
WARNING: Cringeposter, bad game modder, and newbie game dev. View posts at your own risk.
Your Mom Lmaooooo Beigetreten Ağustos 2016
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@ZachInsomnia Yeah its not hard, that's not the point.
If you don't have fun with something the first time, what exactly motivates you to play again and get good?
Marble Zone may have a fun 2nd or 3rd playthrough and beyond, but it falls short due to the first playthrough being a slog.
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@RocketJimmer It’s not hard to get good at the stage
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Hot take coming in, but putting a boring part into a stage and then designing that part to be skipped pales in comparison to not putting boring parts into a level.
Skips and higher-skill pathways should be a way to have fun, not THE way to have fun.
Sonic 3&K understood this.
ZachTheInsomniac - Sonic Daybreak@ZachInsomnia
@omomol_ The level actively wants you to take risks and see if you can speed up the process by doing some platforming (which by the way, you’re still actively forced to engage with the level!!) It often gives you shields before some of these sections urging experimentation
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Been meaning to make a response since I first saw the video, bout time I got to it
This video generally makes a good point, but points it to the wrong group of people, making faulty and almost rude assumptions that make it an unfortunately frustrating watch.
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ZachTheInsomniac - Sonic Daybreak@ZachInsomnia
New video out now Sonic Fans Hate Platforming Very fun little video based on observations and things i've noticed in the fandom Link in replies!
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@ChaomasterZ That's why I said it's a "Mix" rather than all/mostly traditional platforming.
Mario and the blocky parts of Sonic 1 focus on jumping/moving between flat platforms to get to the goal in a traditional way. The slope parts of Sonic 1 add unique physics interactions to the mix.
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@RocketJimmer It isn’t a big part but the zone though in comparison to the other stages
I think it’s disingenuous to say they’re similar in design philosophy
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Sonic 1 is shit because the level design peaks in the first zone and then becomes a Mario clone for most of the runtime afterward.
J@JJunkWarrior
the sonic fandom thinks sonic 1 is shit because you can't spindash lol
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@ChaomasterZ "The level design is good if you skip it."
This is a big part of the zone for first time players, so what exactly motivates you to get better and find the alternate routes? It isn't the fun of that first run through such slow, traditional platforming design, I'll tell you that.
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@RocketJimmer Most of these aren’t mandatory
I think comparing this to a “mario level” is abit disingenuous
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@ChaomasterZ These sections are blocky and not at all what I come to a Sonic game for.
The crazy part? This isn't even all of them. There are MORE than the 4 examples shown here.
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@shshrhrjsjdj Speed in games is relative to player size. To decrease perceived speed, you can either decrease the actual speed or increase the player height.
Not FOV, but the camera distance camera distance is big to make up for how wide the levels are, which makes up for how fast Sonic is.
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@RocketJimmer what? wdym by height-to-speed ratio? and you seem to reference the fov in the second part?
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Very good movement fundamentals, but the player height-to-speed ratio is way too low imo.
Playing as a small little speck of blue in order to see the level around you is kinda lame. I can barely tell I'm playing as Sonic!
Local🤞🏽@LocalYapTV
I want tech like this in my Sonic game...
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@FreezyReef It is an older build, but the part of the physics I was talking about is still like that in the new footage.
Also...no? You don't need extremely wide and long levels if you make sure you don't go overboard with player speed and steering stiffness.
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@RocketJimmer Old build from 2 years ago, and inherently giving Sonic better turning speed means you need to build levels wider
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@ChaomasterZ Blocky and general lack of slopes, mostly.
Slopes increase/decrease max speed and change jump trajectory in the Classic Sonic engine.
Without these slopes, Classic Sonic plays really similar to a 2D Mario game. With these slopes, Classic Sonic plays unlike anything else.
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@ChaomasterZ Green Hill - Sonic level design
Marble - Mario level design
Spring Yard - Mix
Labyrinth - Mario level design
Star Light - Sonic level design
Scrap Brain - Mario level design
Looks like most (more than half) to me.
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@RocketJimmer only half of the levels in S1 are remotely comparable to a Mario game
"Most" doesn't mean half
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@RocketJimmer i gotta disagree. I think Marble Zone uses Sonic's momentum very well. You can skip most of the "long" sections with well timed jumps.
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The problem with Marble Zone is precisely that it is largely standard platforming design.
The point of Sonic games is platforming designed around momentum and/or speed. The Mario-style level design of Marble Zone doesn't provide that, so it fails.
ZachTheInsomniac - Sonic Daybreak@ZachInsomnia
I truthfully feel like most people who dislike something like Marble zone have never played more than 3 platformers in their life because the issues constantly listed with that level are either avoidable or standard platforming design
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@ZachInsomnia When designing a platforming level, if you can put a character controller from a different game in it and the experience is largely the same, then the level needs work. Kinda like how the best antagonists complement their protagonists. The level design is the antagonist.
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@ZachInsomnia It does utilize his physics, just not in a way that's uniquely Sonic. This makes the level less interesting, especially since the level that came before and some of the ones that come after show the unique stuff Sonic physics are capable of.
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Yeah I remember discovering this.
What a genuinely great boss fight.
Person108@PersonthePerso2
Something I find cool about the Mephiles fight is if you kick his ass without Doom Blast he will learn from it and counter your standard attack
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