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Shadow Virgil

@ShadowVirg

Disciple of Christ. Son of God. Builder of bridges. "Do the gods put this fire in our hearts, Euryalus, or do our passions become our gods?"

Beigetreten Eylül 2025
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Shadow Virgil
Shadow Virgil@ShadowVirg·
What we're seeing right now are the patterns of the Book of Mormon playing out in real time. It is not a war between Good and Evil, it's the sort of war that caused Mormon to refuse to lead his people. It's time to stand down and stop playing for one of Satan's teams. Be Mormon.
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Shadow Virgil
Shadow Virgil@ShadowVirg·
@JTAlexander In your world, these "terminally stupid" men will have all been killed off with the press of a red button. Your world will not last long without people like this to save it. As for me, I'm going to take the only rational move and vote to save people like this.
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J.T. Alexander
J.T. Alexander@JTAlexander·
“I have to push blue because there are terminally stupid people out there that are going to push blue and, by golly, I am going to risk my life to save those retards.” You can claim and have the moral high ground if you want it, I just don’t want people like you running society.
just matt@questionableway

@no2hater red: guarantee people die option blue: maybe people die option

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Shadow Virgil
Shadow Virgil@ShadowVirg·
@AnnaN85950827 @overtintrospect @Anton81191831 No. There's another group to save: first responders. You can't tell me that a significant percentage of these men would not vote blue no matter what. It's what they do every single day. And you can't persuade me to vote against them.
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Anna N.
Anna N.@AnnaN85950827·
@overtintrospect @ShadowVirg @Anton81191831 If children and mentally feeble were excluded, 100% would vote red. The only reason to vote blue is to save mentally feeble (or being mentally feeble of course).
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Anton
Anton@Anton81191831·
Blue team is trying to save blue team from the problem blue team created for blue team by doing the only thing that creates the problem for blue team.
Tim Urban@waitbutwhy

Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?

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Shadow Virgil
Shadow Virgil@ShadowVirg·
@obsxrver @francip @Anton81191831 Some people will always pick blue. These are, as a rule, the people that we *most* need to keep things running. They're the ones who consistently place others first and serve in crucial first-responder type roles. Voting red is voting to kill all of those people off.
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LatentObserver@obsxrver·
Blue chose to accept a nonzero risk of dying, and red chose to take zero risk of dying. If you believe that other people are going to act in their own best interest, which is a grounded belief, you can sssume that the majority will press red, and that even if you want to pick blue out of altruism, you will die. Besides, if everyone chose red, there would be no dilemma.
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Shadow Virgil
Shadow Virgil@ShadowVirg·
@Robotbeat If red wins the vote isn't private: everyone knows that everyone left voted red. And that's a solid reason to vote blue. Because whatever comes after a red victory—a world where everyone knows that everyone left voted to kill all blues—will be a hellscape not worth living in.
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Shadow Virgil@ShadowVirg·
@Mukherjea @rickslp @PickenChews @Anton81191831 Not entire professions, just the members of that profession that give the profession a good reputation. You'd be left with just the dregs that give some of these professions a *bad* reputation.
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Shadow Virgil
Shadow Virgil@ShadowVirg·
@TomatheHawk @rickslp So yes, the individuals came first, but society only exists because they made a collective decision to make it so.
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Shadow Virgil
Shadow Virgil@ShadowVirg·
@TomatheHawk @rickslp The social contract exists because a substantial number of people choose to cooperate without being coerced. That's voting blue. They then enforce that cooperation on everyone else who wouldn't cooperate naturally. That's blue winning the majority and saving everyone.
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Shadow Virgil
Shadow Virgil@ShadowVirg·
@BeanerOfSnow @General_Cow1 @ZeldaZealot I've tried. I've really tried to understand what you people are saying. But I can't. The red button *doesn't* do literally nothing. The red button is a vote to kill the people who push blue. If 50%+ of you choose that, you win, and all blues die.
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Snow Beaner
Snow Beaner@BeanerOfSnow·
@ShadowVirg @General_Cow1 @ZeldaZealot realize that the red button does literally nothing, and only exists to trick dummies like you into assigning moral culpability to inaction. If the choice was simply to press the blue button or not, nothing changes about the scenario. Its a suicide pact.
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Link🇻🇦@ZeldaZealot·
The blue team cope is genuinely hilarious. The social contract doesn’t require suicide
Shadow Virgil@ShadowVirg

@Anton81191831 Each red player is trying to save themselves from the problem that each other red player created by doing the only thing that created the problem that they're trying to save themselves from. Why privilege red as the default state and treat blue as the changed state?

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Shadow Virgil
Shadow Virgil@ShadowVirg·
@Mukherjea @rickslp @PickenChews @Anton81191831 The people who truly would pick blue in this situation are the people who singlehandedly keep civilization running. They're the firefighters, doctors, police officers, and soldiers who put themselves last every single day. A world without people like that isn't worth living in.
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Prabhat@Mukherjea·
@ShadowVirg @rickslp @PickenChews @Anton81191831 No. A situation where everyone being selfish leads to no harm is a situation that doesn't require correction. Being wiling to risk huge percentages of lives to protect the 0.1% or less of people who pick Blue without all this meta-reasoning is just silly.
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Shadow Virgil
Shadow Virgil@ShadowVirg·
@ASimpleMan20 @Ryanbottomson @KlackBooom @Anton81191831 The second part is key: you can't imagine that *anyone* left after this event is going to be building back a civilization of any kind. They all know that everyone left alive is a backstabber who thinks only of themselves. Civilization is over for at least a generation.
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Shadow Virgil
Shadow Virgil@ShadowVirg·
@ASimpleMan20 @Ryanbottomson @KlackBooom @Anton81191831 I'd rather die with the people whose instinct is to cooperate than live in the hellscape that results when all that's left is a bunch of people who voted for "every man for himself" and know full well that everyone else left voted the same way.
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Shadow Virgil
Shadow Virgil@ShadowVirg·
@Ryanbottomson @KlackBooom @ASimpleMan20 @Anton81191831 He's dead in your world. Him and every firefighter, soldier, police officer, and anyone else who's willing to lay down their life to save others. Good luck in that world. As for me, I'll peace out with them if that's what it comes to.
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Shadow Virgil
Shadow Virgil@ShadowVirg·
@Arzy1847 @Anton81191831 Your version of the story has already given in to whatever demon or alien is posing the problem in the first place. You've accepted their terms already and accepted that someone must die. Blue says "to hell with that" and votes to cooperate in getting everyone back to our lives.
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Shadow Virgil
Shadow Virgil@ShadowVirg·
@Arzy1847 @Anton81191831 There is no requirement to push red. If <50% of people push red, nobody dies. Nobody in this scenario dies until >50% of people push red. Nobody has to push red first. Blue is the default. Blue is a vote to keep things as they were. No requirement to push red.
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Shadow Virgil
Shadow Virgil@ShadowVirg·
@ASimpleMan20 @Ryanbottomson @KlackBooom @Anton81191831 You're missing the point: there's no way in hell that men like this vote red. When you cast the vote for red, you're casting a vote to end this man's life and the life of every person like him who would instinctively put their life on the line. Good luck living in that world.
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A Simple Man
A Simple Man@ASimpleMan20·
@ShadowVirg @Ryanbottomson @KlackBooom @Anton81191831 That is a concrete situation of entire crowds guiding *a singular child* (amongst their own countrymen) away from a dangerous situation to a person climbing up to get them. That is not remotely analogous to a private vote against **the entire global population**.
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Shadow Virgil
Shadow Virgil@ShadowVirg·
@Ryanbottomson @KlackBooom @ASimpleMan20 @Anton81191831 Some people push blue. Every. Single. Time. Those people make life worth living. I don't want to live in a world without men like this. So I cast my lot with them for my own selfish gain. I'll live with them or die with them, but not live with reds. x.com/G_ZBR_9/status…
Gms@G_ZBR_9

A real-life hero 💯 He didn’t hesitate for a second he climbed up and brought the kid down safely. Respect 🙏🔥

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Shadow Virgil
Shadow Virgil@ShadowVirg·
@Nocheckloser @murica1stmuslim @redtachyon It doesn't take suicidal empathy, it takes a basic understanding of human nature. The people in the world who make the biggest positive impact on your life specifically are the ones who have "suicidal empathy". Do you really want to press the button that kills them all?
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Uncommonsense@Nocheckloser·
@murica1stmuslim @redtachyon Yes that may be the goal of people who have suicidal empathy. But they are constantly sitting here trying to convince us there they are intelligent, not people suffering from suicidal empathy
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Ariel@redtachyon·
If you choose blue and die, there's only one person whose decision could have kept you alive.
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Shadow Virgil
Shadow Virgil@ShadowVirg·
@Ryanbottomson @KlackBooom @ASimpleMan20 @Anton81191831 Bad labels. Here are better ones: * Save yourself, but vote to kill anyone who doesn't also press red. * Save everyone, but only if enough people agree to save everyone. You can't strip the culpability from red but keep the burden on blue. Both have real negative consequences.
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