I suspect some Pentecostal churches now are pretty much Baptist too with a few people praying in tongues under their breath. :-)
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Shane Raynor
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Shane Raynor
@ShaneRaynor
Christian. Friend of Israel. Publisher of Methodist Prayer.
Austin, Texas Beigetreten Aralık 2008
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Mark is correct about Baptists. Most of those “community churches” and “-pointe churches” are Baptist and the rest are store brand Pentecostal/charismatic. People are thinking post-denominationally now.
@markdtooley@markdtooley
Nondenominational typically means Baptist without the name. So USA Protestantism is close to 60% Baptist ethos. In 19th century one third of all Americans & likely over half of Protestants were Methodist. What caused the shift?
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@JHGoodman8404 I agree, BCP is about the best thing going, but I do think there's value in simplifying for certain settings and creating derivative forms. Wesley did it for the American church and later for the English Methodists.
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@ShaneRaynor I’m with Joseph Pilmoor I think the Book of Common Prayer is best. Pilmoor was one of Wesley’s missionaries to PA and ultimately left the connexion for the Church of England and the BCP
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A Methodist congregation need not be forced into choosing between evangelical/low church and liturgical/high church worship. Wesley & those who followed him simplified the Anglican order of worship in their day and made it work for the frontier. We can do both.
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I'm not disparaging Baptists... they're brothers and sisters in Christ who do a lot for the Kingdom. (Boy do they know how to evangelize!) But we don't need Methodist churches to replicate Baptist churches exactly. There should be some obvious differences, IMO.
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The challenge with post-denominationalism is this: we don't want Christianity to lose the theological influence of Methodism. So some of these "Community Churches" and "-pointe churches" ought to be Methodist with Methodist theology and some distinctive worship components. If Methodist churches essentially become little more than Baptist-lite churches, then there's not much need for Methodists.
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@MethodMinistry I knew an older Baptist woman once who would tease her Catholic friends (good-naturedly), "The Bible says I'm a saint... pray to me!"
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There are no New Testament examples of icon veneration or prayers to the saints.
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I agree. Actual open-air preaching certainly isn't dead. Social media has given it new life. But it has evolved. I'm thinking of the Q&A formats (Charlie Kirk, Cliffe Knechtle come to mind) that have been resonating online.
Matt Judkins@MattJudkinsX
@ShaneRaynor Maybe we overthink this and it’s still open-air preaching. I see tons of young evangelists doing this on social media. Thoughts?
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In the structured prayer on the Methodist Prayer site, there are built-in times for silence and for extempore (impromptu, spontaneous) prayer. When I pray, I often go "off script" as the Spirit leads. But the structure helps me focus and move back on track when I need to.
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Methodism was a frontier movement that grew in large part because of open-air preaching. What is 2026's "frontier" and what is its "open-air preaching"?
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One of the things I want to do with Methodist Prayer site is experiment with creating orders of worship that would work for house churches & small groups. I believe modern Methodism can and should fuse evangelicalism and Anglicanism with some Pentecostal-lite thrown in for good measure. :-)
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@club_charleston Most nondenominational evangelical churches, which have been a major player for decades, are effectively Baptist in worship style and theology whether officially Baptist or not.
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@ShaneRaynor The Christian church landscape where? Abilene? If you believe that the Baptists are anything other than a minor player in Christianity then you’re fooling yourself.
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The Christian church landscape is dominated by the big three: Catholic, Baptist (many non-denoms are Baptist in theology & practice even if not by affiliation) and Pentecostal/Charismatic (includes the rest of the non-denoms). As far as brand recognition goes, everything else gets lost on the shelf.
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It’s been said that stock prices take the stairs up but take the elevator down. Well, gas prices work the opposite way.
Happy Captain@EODHappyCaptain
Why do gas prices go up immediately on bad news, but take forever to come down on good news?
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The next step is build a wall to keep them from leaving. Seems like I remember such a wall in Europe from my childhood.
KOMO News@komonews
Across the country, at least ten states, including Washington, are now exploring or have already passed an exit or wealth tax to combat revenue losses from residents fleeing to lower tax areas komonews.com/news/nation-wo…
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Disturbing numbers. If you talk to enough people from Gen Z, you’ll notice a contempt for Israel that goes far beyond criticizing policy. It’s antisemitic and has its roots in the demonic. Woe is us if we don’t educate enough people to reverse this trend.
Politics & Poll Tracker 📡@PollTracker2024
Pew Research Center poll | 3/23-3/29 Americans’ views of Israel are sharply divided by party and age % who have a very/somewhat unfavorable opinion of Israel US adults: 60% Democrats: 80% Republicans: 41% Ages 18-49: 70% Ages 50+: 49% 🟦Ages 18-49: 84% 🟦Ages 50+: 76% 🟥Ages 18-49: 57% 🟥Ages 50+: 24%
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@caseytaylor Yep, the UMC has almost killed the brand. It’s no surprise to me that many GMCs would rather be a store brand community church. God willing, orthodox Methodists will take back the name as progressive Methodism fades into oblivion.
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@ShaneRaynor A ministry colleague was hiring for a staff position. When candidates heard "Methodist," they ran. Didn't matter if they said, "No, we're not UMC!"
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I’m not convinced most non-Methodists even know there’s difference between the UMC and the GMC, or that both denominations even exist. Methodism overall seems to have a bad reputation thanks to the progressive insanity the UMC allows that has been amplified on social media.
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Cut back on your doomscrolling. Find positive accounts to follow. Unfollow and mute the negative accounts. Stop encouraging clickbait. Close your social media apps and open up your Bible app from time to time.
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