David Zima

You say you served with RC Sproul? Apparently, you never really got to know him. I may homemade wine and brought it to a session meeting once. He joked about communion wine. If you knew RC, you would know he told the worst jokes and we loved him for it. When I taught a bible study with him for a few weeks, he was nonstop with jokes that you probably would object to. His sense of humor was one of his best qualities.

More shameful drivel.

@yikesmom I wonder how substituting this for cheap wine will impact their ability to meet their budget?

Now this is excellent reporting!

@yikesmom Yes it is. Ironically, I had a member come to me once and reported that Parsons treated her harshly when all she did was asked if it was OK to share the communion bread recipe.

Actually, Andrews, another fact is St Andrews did not even follow its bylaws after it left the PCA in my case. The SAC bylaws require the accuser(s) to practice Matt 18 before the session is permitted to bring charges. This never happened. So, SAC's actions against me were also a violation of its present bylaws. Love to know your thought on that.

@DesmondActual @ZimaInFlorida I doubt it. Their bylaws give veto power to the senior pastor over the governing board. No orthodox Reformed denomination would accept that. They were promised to change that for the PCA, but never did. Bad track record.

A Public Statement of Central Florida Presbytery on the Excommunication of PCA Members by an Independent Church: Wednesday, April 1, 2026 On December 14, 2025, Saint Andrew’s Chapel (SAC) voted to leave the Presbyterian Church in America and become an independent congregation in accordance with BCO 25-11. Indictments and judicial cases initiated “in the name of the PCA” (BCO 31-4) properly belong to the courts of the PCA. SAC no longer possesses authority within those courts to adjudicate such cases. As an independent church, the governing board of SAC is no longer subject to the oversight of the PCA’s higher courts of appeal and is not authorized to adjudicate indictments issued in the name of the PCA. On March 12, 2026, the governing board of SAC improperly excommunicated three members (Ruling Elder David Zima, Drs Stephen and Heidi Nichols) in good standing in PCA churches within Central Florida Presbytery (CFP). These individuals resigned their membership from SAC on December 14, 2025, and were subsequently examined and received as members in their respective PCA churches within the CFP. They are members in good standing, admitted to the Lord’s Table, and welcomed into the fellowship of God’s people. Central Florida Presbytery deems these excommunications improper, disruptive to the peace of the Church, detrimental to those under our pastoral care, and without ecclesiastical effect within the Presbyterian Church in America. Adopted by the Central Florida Presbytery at its 201st meeting, March 31, 2026. Donald L. Mountan Stated Clerk of Central Florida Presbytery Presbyterian Church in America

@DesmondActual For the record Andrew, if St Andrews stayed in the PCA, I would have been able to clear my name on appeal just like Burk is doing. I would still be at SAC to pursue my appeal. They stripped this right from me which Burk enjoys. So, really two different set of facts here. The session of SAC violated and abused over a dozen areas of the BCO and RRO in my case. My case would have been overturned on any one of many abuses.

That can only be rectified if SAC becomes Presbyterian again in joining a body with appellate courts. If SAC does this, again, they cannot force the members to stay. A new membership covenant must be formed. What SAC tried to do to the Nichols and me would be like law enforcement skipping Miranda rights or the courts ignoring habeus corpus. It was ecclesiastically and legally out of order.

@_mattesrj @ZimaInFlorida The lack of appeal is an issue that will hopefully be rectified sooner rather than later.

Andrew, you are missing some important details. The most important is that neither I nor the Nichols were under indictment when we left. Our indictments were bound "In the name of the PCA" which SAC had not standing to represent. Possibly even more important is that the church breached its membership covenant with us when it changed its theology in leaving the PCA. Church membership and associated discipline is a voluntary relationship. If you were a Roman Catholic and they switched to Lutheran, they could not force you to stay? Agreed?

@StanChristi1986 @ZimaInFlorida Yes sir. Following the precedent set by the PCA on Tuesday, leaving a denomination is a valid means of escaping church discipline. So Burk, by this logic, could simply leave the PCA and go back to his regular duties at SAC, but he hasn’t. Why?

@mrs_k_r_ I think you understand Presbyterian polity better than most "independent Presbyterian" churches 😀

I’m new to Presbyterianism so can someone explain to me how you can have an *independant* *presbyterian* church? Isn’t a key feature of being Presbyterian that you have the presbytery? Without that isn’t it just reformed Congregationalism?

@ajaugenstein @coconservative7 @yikesmom Yep

@coconservative7 @ZimaInFlorida @yikesmom you were both at the meeting, please correct my statement if I missed something.

Given what has been reported to police regarding the SAC/Nichols situation, it's essential that we ask why certain things have NOT been reported. Listen free: patreon.com/posts/finding-…

@FloridianOG @ajaugenstein Council of Jerusalem?

@ajaugenstein @ZimaInFlorida biblical headship governs the church with its own plurality of elders. if a “higher body” than the church is anything but Christ, that church shouldn’t be a church. it’s clearly a fundamental disagreement with the presbytery structure. biblical headship answers to Christ alone.

I would like to express my gratitude for the members of the Central Florida Presbytery who today voted to make a public statement recognizing that I am a member in good standing in the PCA and that the excommunication published about me by St Andrews Chapel was invalid.

It is disgusting and shameful how you are shaming and naming the victim here. This false narrative that St Andrews made in a police report was dispelled by Dr Nichols at the Presbytery meeting. The unidentified man was her brother. Even if it wasn't, it would be fallacious to argue that one identified man is exculpatory evidence for Adams.

I argue that I was following Jesus' example in calling out corrupt church leaders. I was providing my theological and epistemological basis for my actions. You seem to make arguments but not want a response that challenges them so you say something then say you don't have time to discuss it further. It comes across as if you don't have confidence that your comments will survive a cogent polemic response.

@ZimaInFlorida @FloridianOG @ajaugenstein I don't have time to explain in detail. I thought it was clear. You compared your judgment to that of Jesus.

@JRWOrlando @FloridianOG @ajaugenstein Please explain what the point is.

@ZimaInFlorida @FloridianOG @ajaugenstein Indeed. I identify with Paul and would call myself the chief of sinners. That isn't the point.

@coconservative7 What has been reported?

@JRWOrlando @FloridianOG @ajaugenstein Are yours? Are you pure? Are you righteous? Thought you were a Calvists? Does depravity dwell within you?

@ZimaInFlorida @FloridianOG @ajaugenstein The church is our Lord's church, and His judgments are perfect. Yours, sir, are not.

My family has suffered a great amount of harm from SAC. I did my duty as an elder and helped people who reported harm to me. The church leadership relatiated against me and even meddled in my family. I tried to peacefully withdraw several times they but wanted revenge so they said no. You slander me as I did not compare myself to Christ but offered his example as one that I follow in calling out corrupt church leaders. You sir, are what the Bible calls a contentious man. I don't believe you are even epistemologically self aware from the way you argue.

@ZimaInFlorida @ajaugenstein David, your actions have caused a lot of hurt and sincere heart ache within SAC. Justifying yourself as a comparison with Christ demonstrates an enormous lack of self awareness and discernment, to put it mildly. I pray SAC can move forward and recover from the damage you’ve done

It is actually the opposite of targeting. The CFP has accommodated and been overly charitable toward SAC since 1998. This is because most of the men in the CFP loved Sproul. The presbytery made exceptions for SAC that it would not for any other church. SAC was allowed to operate out of bounds for 25 years. Please read the last 25 year history and it will be oblivious. 25 years of exceptional kindness until the end when they even made a shepherding committee to help SAC. The CFP has never worked so hard to help one church.

@ajaugenstein @ZimaInFlorida I have no doubt it’s absolutely targeting. I would retract this opinion if I saw this same standard applied to other churches.

@CPresbyterian73 @FloridianOG Bad information. Please stop slandering our Presbytery.

@FloridianOG @ZimaInFlorida This is the same presbytery that is fine with ordaining a Side B homosexual, so I’m not shocked by such a ridiculous and inappropriate action.

@coconservative7 @Incogniofoshow No, the reports were also made directly to the sheriff's detective by the young men.

@Incogniofoshow @ZimaInFlorida Well, victims report crimes. They certainly don't say explicitly that they don't consider whatever happened to be criminal. And again, claims were made by their mothers, not them.

Welp, it's March, and the Roys Report has done it again. Just like they would play fast and loose with the truth, leave out vital context, and jumble the primary facts and timelines when white whale-hunting John MacArthur, they've exercised the same slimy maneuver against former St. Andrews Chapel teaching elder Stephen Adams. Note: At this point, I'm not going into whether or not SAC still had the prerogative to excommunicate the Nichols. What's done is done, so we can save that for later. @danielsilliman published an article passing along unsubstantiated claims from former members of SAC's youth group alleging "inappropriate conduct" from Adams on several youth trips between roughly 2015-2021. The article's title ("Florida sheriff investigates...") implies that the Seminole County Sheriff's Dept is formally investigating Adams, and that investigator Schick contacted students in pursuit of this investigation. Yet three paragraphs before the end of the article, Silliman writes that Schick forwarded the "case" to Hernando County and Cherokee, NC Police, demonstrating that no official investigation had commenced. Rather, Schick was tasked with talking to the (now late-20's) men (who had previously refused to make their claims to the PCA committee who found Adams innocent) because she follows up with potential victims when parents report suspicions to the Sheriff's office (Schick is the same investigator that the deputy offered to refer Steve and Heidi Nichols' daughter to). The article follows its paragraph on Adams' resignation with "But Seminole County Sheriff's Office investigator Brittany Schick had more questions," implying that Adams' resignation was to avoid being investigated. Yet there is no evidence of this, as Adams was exonerated months earlier. The article consists primarily of unfalsifiable claims from the young men (who again, do not seem to think anything was criminal and - even as men in their late 20s - refused to press their claims with the PCA committee), but if fails to explain that the claims were reported not by the adult men, but to the PCA from within a group of moms who had left SAC, somehow all during the exact same time period Adams was facing alleged harrassment/stalking from the Nichols and others, including texts being spread around the church that seemed to be soliciting dirt on Adams ("ask your kids," etc.). Of additional note and concern is that one of the young men interviewed appears to be the son of a primary figure who testified against senior pastor Burk Parsons in his recent PCA trial, whom Stephen Adams represented. Afterwards, his father was identified during Parsons' trial as the man behind an anonymous Twitter account parodying Parsons. Lastly, the article characterizes the supposed incident with Adams as the cause of Lamirande leaving the church, yet accounts seem to indicate that Lamirande (now an expressed opponent of Reformed theology) did not leave the church until years after the purported incident. All of this to say, regardless of our views on polity, tribal infighting, or leadership dispositions, we still have a man who has been deemed innocent (yes, this is the term when someone is not proven guilty) of justiciable wrongdoing who is instead being characterized as the opposite by an outlet with a long track record of overt hostility to institutional church authority (particularly its maleness) and conservative theology in general.