hellshee

my endgames who definitely found their way back to each other

i agree with you but i will say that the hate will and bylers got from others is also a reflection of ignorant people's takes because no "boy in love with his best friend who is in a relationship" story or unresolved ending can excuse the treatment of non bylers towards will/us so i'd place a lot of that blame on people's mentalities too and not just bad writing that put will in a bad spot.

who's angry? me? i'm not angry. also i've criticized finn several times for his ass takes and me being surprised by what noah said (that i've read in a different way than most people on here did anyway) isn't criticism.

thread of gimmicks about noah's byler comments because there are too many and i don't want to stay on this subject all day so after posting these i'm gonna try to move on from the subject 🧵

@CappuChini_ chini you're so sweet thank you 🥹💛

@_hellshee_ and you’re always right

regardless of the criticism i share about the writers, the show or the fandom discourse, i do not play about byler. just so we're clear

but byler still has a lot of fans who watch him so i kinda wish that if this was his s5 conclusion, he'd have went with that from the get go and we'd all be used to it by now because there's whiplash to be had from "yeah in my opinion mike should end up with will after el!!" and being the only person in proximity to the show who saw the hurt the byler fandom went through and validated it to "yes will should have had a relationship but not byler, no byler". as for mike, imo he was never in love with el to begin with. and he moves on in the end, goes to college, pursues his dreams. he was feeling guilty and grieving, then he was told to get over it and he did. he'll be fine. i don't think you get the point i'm making in this thread but that's okay.

@_hellshee_ and having trouble letting her go, like its not only a problem of how good or bad Mike was to Will

"no byler" damn

they were so crazy for this. all in the same scene too

well, will also didn't have a proper on screen relationship so the question and his answer was already working on the power of imagination so he could have said that he would have wanted mike to be better and for byler to be explored. you can't fault people for being confused after he answered non byler questions with positive byler answers and then he was like wait yeah i wanted will to have a relationship in canon but not with mike. also he said it super definitively. idk i think having questions on what led to this change of heart in his expressed opinion is expected.

@_hellshee_ i think he's advocating for his own character over everything else, after all the hurt and disappointment will went through with mike in canon it would take a lot to make byler work that would do will justice

@jcheolsgf @hiitsserver GAMZE GET OUT OF MY HOUSE

@hiitsserver @_hellshee_ Idiot kkkkk

@JLMovieGirl92 because the writers turned out to be ignorant nasties and we ignored some of the red flags post s2

@_hellshee_ I thought everything would work out. Why didn’t it? Why doesn’t stranger things match my thinking? I thought it was gonna be a coming of age story created equally. Why wasn’t it?

imo there shouldn't have been another conflict between them in season 4, they should have just communicated more and gotten closer and closer and the season should have ended with a m11 breakup.

@barbiebyers_ like why are we acting like this is a irl relationship or a miscommunication trope fic with an endgame sequel? mike and will are not real, they don't make their own decisions, byler did not get together because the authors of the story did not want them to.

"if only will had confessed-" "if mike knew-" stop blaming this on will. these are characters written by authors that didn't want byler endgame. end of story.

(and then they'd add like 3 takes of byler looking longingly at each other through it anyway, for shits and giggles)

like i'm sorry but they're not real people!!! nothing the characters would have done would have let to byler endgame!!! if the duffers wrote a confession for will, they would write a rejection scene from mike, it's that simple.

i just wish that if it stayed platonic, byler would have had fewer deep conflicts like s3 + s4. even if mike couldn't reciprocate, write him as that steady safety net for will that platonically loves him so much and although he can't reciprocate, he's so supportive and will finds safety in him rather than having shame about his feelings. and that helps him face the bigger world. like mike being that kind of friend in the 80s is subverting expectations because we already see it in s1 how he defends will. so if there was no way to make it romantic, mike should have been will's safety net through deeds and not just words (you don't make me feel like a mistake) and do away with the s3 conflict. but whatever 🚬

@_hellshee_ If what they really wanted was to have a “it’s okay if someone doesn’t love you back” storyline, then they should have stuck to their initial plan for stancy instead of baiting them bc of fan chatter

we could have had it all