@drogus That’s probably fair. I think web development is the least trivial type of application of what could work in that setting (clis being more trivial)
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@dreamsofcode_io I don’t agree with the sentiment, but “web devs” is a bit oversimplification. Anything that is controlled through the command line would be fine
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If most devs are web devs then I can believe it.
Ain’t no way I’m building a video editor on the cloud though.
Theo - t3.gg@theo
I’d estimate we’re ~6 months from most devs moving their code agents off of their laptops
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@dudetru25 Hardware encoders / decoders make this a little more challenging, although not impossible.
Ultimately I just find agents to be kinda bad at this sort of domain, unless they have very heavy hand holding and direction.
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@dreamsofcode_io just need better tooling to give the same visibility as if being on the native machine, only thing that gives me that same mistrust on just letting an agent work on it on the cloud.
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@imdbeee Yeah, you’d need a dedicated Mac VM or a workstation like a Mac mini..
Possible to do, but the feedback loop becomes way more challenging unless it’s just a simple UI with a database .
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@dreamsofcode_io True, How would you make native iOS apps on cloud, they have to be macos systems right?
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@nixkristall I think that’s a different perspective, although tbf I have an MCP in my editor application.
Same thing, mine is local first rather than being remote for many of the same reasons I can find an issue with handoff to an agent on a remote machine.
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@dreamsofcode_io they would argue that the agent would do the video editing
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@notafbihoneypot @keczan “Technically inclined” is not really the same as “technical literacy”.
I think Laurie is correct on this point (not the original though), many people are not inclined to build their own computer, even those who are technically literate.
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My brother in Christmas ITE fucking Legos.
Just watch any LTT video.
3 hrs of your time.
You either get it or you don't.
My point wasn't even against pre-builts
She is arguing that cloud gaming due to "technical illiteracy"
Its a bad take. I can justify a pre-built if you get quality parts for at or above cost.
You don't know who's building it or if their putting quality parts in it.
Its a waste if you spend the same amount and you get shit parts.
You could build a good PC with TMU at this point
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The second worst take.
HOURS OF CONTENT ON THE INTERNET ON HOW TO BUILD PC.
LaurieWired@lauriewired
perfectly fine opinion; I'd just argue that many many people are not technically inclined enough to bother building their own computer, much less tinker with specs. I literally just spent 2hr playing /w my brother just now...who is *not* technically inclined *and* a poor college student. If it weren't for cloud streaming, I wouldn't have been able to play with him, period. ...and the latency was like 18ms
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@Na0ch @ayogiovanna Initially, it was incredibly novel and constant dopamine rewarding.
However, once the novelty wore off it became both unstimulating and emotionally taxing to use (lots of frustration)
Right now, I need to find the right balance of using it and still coding by hand.
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@ayogiovanna I used to think AI would be the ultimate equalizer for people with ADHD, but it seems only a tiny fraction of them have actually managed to leverage it. The vast majority are still stuck in their old routines.
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@johncodes I think we’re potentially entering a dark age of personal computing.
(Also a video I’m currently scripting).
Concerning times!
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@dreamsofcode_io Yes, worries me a lot: insane we’ve gone full circle where the personal computer can’t even be personal anymore
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Your right to own hardware is your right to compute. Your right to compute is your right to freedom.
John McBride@johncodes
@lauriewired I don’t want some mega-corp data center dictating what and how I play: if I want to load age of empires ii with 1,000 community mods ranging from Mickey Mouse tanks to lord of the rings armies, I should be able to since it’s my hardware.
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That’s something I’ve been playing with a lot in my own work although it’s still got some problems for my own domain.
I think anything web based it’s a good approach, especially being able to easily review the output over tailscale/wireguard.
Native/desktop (especially needing hardware decoders) is a little harder. I do use a JetKVM for remote access, but it’s still not the best experience.
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Yeah, I can see the point.
However, moving to a home lab over a laptop feels like the most sensible solution, where you have total access to that machine and still are not frying your laptop with compute, then your laptop becomes just a headless way to test the results and send new instructions to base.
But, pretty sure Theo is referring to home labs rather than cloud
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@hetmehtaa The code works, but it’s not necessarily correct
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vibe coding works even if you don't know how to code.
agents are not dumb anymore
Aryan@aryanlabde
Hot take: vibe coding only works well if you already know how to code.
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@ferron_web @CallMeMrYogurt There’s a pretty good video about it on YouTube 😏
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@thepanta82 VMs aren’t the best for testing the capabilities of a video editor.
These are issues I’ve encountered already.
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@dreamsofcode_io Think about an agent ingesting bug reports or other tickets, debugging in a VM and proposing fixes as PR-s, each one with a link where you can remote desktop into the VM and test the solution.
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I’m of the belief that a lot of the A.I. era paradigm falls apart beyond web dev.
This is also why there’s a huge disparity in perceived effectiveness. Web devs are able to effectively loop agents whereas every time I have it’s made more bugs and worse code (whilst consuming my token budget quickly)
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I'm with you on this.
That claim may hold for simple WebDev/CRUD-style work, but it falls apart once you look beyond that bubble.
Plenty of serious software domains can't just be moved to the cloud: native mobile, real device debugging, GPU/shader issues, camera/sensors, platform APIs, perf profiling, OEM quirks, the list goes on.
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@chirorojr My guess is so that you can leave agents running whilst your laptop is closed.
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@dreamsofcode_io I don't understand the reason to move your coding agents into the cloud especially when you have a good computer. Maybe I'm missing something.
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I assume to move it away from one’s laptop would be to move it towards a remote machine that is always available.
Unless that’s a dedicated workstation (which would require someone to have the workstation, and still encounters similar problems), then the logical conclusion is the cloud.
Of course, it’s an assumption, but then the original tweet was vague enough to lend itself to being assumed.
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@joelbqz Yep.
I’m also pretty sure the numerous issues I’m running into with Agents is due to the fact they’re more specialized at Web development
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@cooldevcoding Ain’t no way lol.
Need native APIs for hardware decoding
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@mariodev__ Kiru is in fact a desktop app written in Rust!
I just have a lite browser version but mainly as a gateway so that folks can try it out before installing something
The main product is a desktop application however, which means I can use native APIs and frameworks.
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@dreamsofcode_io What is your reasoning behind going web instead of app? I work with video heavily on the web and the amount of things you need to consider is huge, not sure about local app though XD i guess it has its own caveats too.
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