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@theramblingfool That’s a fair take, if you’re consistent. I assume by this logic that you’re pretty pro-life.

@marginalalpha I'd rather maximize my child's chance of living. If they're orphaned that's terrible. But I'd rather they be orphaned than dead.

Every Pro-red argument: (1) Cynicism: "It's impossible for blue to win. Don't be suicidal." (2) Narcissism: "There is no downside to pressing red." (3) Changing the hypo: "Babies don't count. That'd be stupid! So there's a blender..." (4) Psychopathy: "Blue pressers deserve to die." (5) General poor analytic reasoning: "If everyone just pressed red!"

@h4rvestsky @hashyboyz But if that’s your outlook, I assume (based on the odds) that you’re holding onto an extra kidney right now? For what? A future need in your family? You? You could save a stranger’s life *right now*, with minimal risk to yourself. You are pressing red irl right now.

@h4rvestsky @hashyboyz If you’d like to say that caring for your own children more than others’ children is selfish, then sure, I gladly own that. You got me. But any political calculus you do needs to take into account that every parent—even the ones in the DSA WhatsApp, feels this way.

picking red is not the intelligent option, you will never get a 100% pick on either side. but you just need majority to pick blue. genuinely don’t get the argument for red outside of selfishness and that’s fine be selfish but don’t act like it’s the intelligent answer

@larissaphillip When I was choosing a firm, I asked to speak with female associates—not parters—who have kids (figuring it’d give me a better feel for the vibe). 4 firms could not produce anyone and one told me their associates are generally “too young” to have children.

In my experience there was, from early childhood. My mother, like many women of that era, was reacting to her own upbringing in which she was pressured to marry and have kids. She went in the opposite direction. I’m tired of talking to you because it’s annoying how you keep resorting to accusing me of lying instead of engaging in this actually very intense and meaningful issue that has regional and cultural and generational differences. Assuming your experience is the only one is a terrible strategy and makes for a tiresome interlocutor.

I feel so disgusted with the generational vibe that told us that having kids wasn’t a priority and that being a mom was kind of a lesser path. Dealing right now with someone close to me who completely missed the life she should have had, which would have made her very happy— as a mom of a bunch of kids. She believed the social justice messages and made other choices. Materialistic superficial choices btw. She’s traveled extensively and has fancy appliances and a nice (huge, empty) house — and a bunch of social justice bona fides. She was misled. This isn’t someone who was always a bit salty and never wanted kids. She wanted them, but it seemed lame and selfish and not as important as her SJW pursuits. (Which amounted to what? Nothing. The whole thing was a vibe.) I have the same life advice.

@larissaphillip I’m a ‘22 graduate form a large NYC law school currently working in nyc biglaw. You’re treated like a teen mother if you have kids in law school. And peers biglaw are under the (false) impression that you “earn” the flexibility needed to have kids around your 6th year of practice

@Daustjos @JimothyBurg1ary @theramblingfool The more analogous is this one: organdonor.gov/sign-up

@JimothyBurg1ary @theramblingfool thats the blue button if nobody signed up for the military, you wouldnt murder randoms, and we all live but the fact that some people are in the military means they will die if you dont also join to prevent the tensions of war, keeping everyone alive

@JimothyBurg1ary @theramblingfool so you value yourself over the potential life's of others? interesting

@Serdizzle @rawsmashmouth Well then the empathetic thing to do would be to have one parent—for instance—press blue and the other press red so a young child is cared for regardless of the outcome. Your take screams “I’m 15yo”

@hashyboyz Um, no. Obviously then it’s blue. I’m pushing back only in your claim that red is necessarily a selfish choice.

@marginalalpha and would you still choose red if you knew your all 4 of your children were picking blue?

@Ludlowfnl @_ObjectiveTruth Ideally one parent would press red (to care for offspring who press red in the event of insufficient blue). But assume you’re a single parent and kids are voting 50/50. Your “correct” vote is not a clear answer, morally.

@_ObjectiveTruth To save my kids, because in this scenario, they are voting

You are a bad person if you press red. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it. If you press red, you are condemning infants, toddlers, children/disabled people/ elderly people/etc. who didn’t read or comprehend it, to death. You think you’ve “aha’d” all the blue pressers, but ultimately you are selfish, just like your choice of the red button

@hashyboyz This take is such a tell that you’re 15

@hashyboyz You’re a single mom with 4 children and no family to speak of. Assuming only adults are “playing” you press red to ensure your young children are cared for. This isn’t hard.

@MarxistRealism ^ These guys always press red the fastest

The only thing worth paying attention to in this obnoxious red vs. blue thought experiment is that the world is about to enter a period of genuine scarcity and you should be wary of the types who are willing to rationalize killing half of everyone they know for their own benefit.

@kaileyinCA Being perplexed at how *anyone* could press red is such an immediate tell that OP is v young

@kaileyinCA You’re a single mom with 4 children and no family to speak of. Assuming only adults are “playing” you press red to ensure your young children are cared for. This isn’t hard.

i don’t understand why anybody would choose the red button. asking genuinely, if you chose it - why? if 50%+ choose blue, everyone lives. if less than 50% choose red, only those who chose red live. why are you willing to sacrifice half of those people?

@kaileyinCA Assuming children must also participate and will be vote 50/50: - Blue: increase 2 kids’ odds by your one vote but w/ potential to kill the surviving young children (alone and helpless after your death) - Red: ensures you are there for at least two surviving kids

@xevekiah I’m just confused about how that “challenges everything people like to assume about women who make this choice.” It is perfectly aligned with their expectations that some people will choose to inflict pain on another—albeit brief—for their own benefit. What is this challenging?

My abortion is the kind people love to judge the most. I wasn’t underage, I wasn’t assaulted, and there was no medical emergency. I got pregnant because I knowingly had unprotected sex, no accident, no rare failure, just my own choices. By their standards, it was “irresponsible.” I knew abortion was an option, and I took it. Not because I couldn’t survive it or raise a child, I simply didn’t want one. I wanted sex without becoming a parent, and I chose not to carry the pregnancy. There’s no redemption arc here. I don’t regret it. Nothing terrible happened to me afterward, no punishment, no downfall. My life is still good. And that reality alone challenges everything people like to assume about women who make this choice.

@EvieParkour People in cities have no idea how much taxpayer money is spent trying to convince people to grow them (us, but I’m not complaining about it) food 😂

@EvieParkour This is so funny. You are not ready for prices that would result from cutting subsidies that are implemented to support your ability to afford groceries even after you decide to live in an unnaturally large population center that is too big to be supported by nearby farms.