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@ReflectiveRuby2 @SadlyItsBradley That doesn't necessarily mean that it will happen, just it's an option. Thanks to Proton + FEX, existing SteamVR games that are not too demanding should work Standalone too. Of course ideally devs will port properly to Linux ARM for better performance and stability.

@ReflectiveRuby2 @SadlyItsBradley While there are some genuine permanent Quest Exclusives, a bunch of VR games that can only be found on Quest, are not on SteamVR because the dev decided it didn't make financial sense to port it. Lepton could allow a dev to pretty much just upload the Quest build to Steam as-is.

SteamOS 3.8.0 Preview was just released and includes “initial support for the upcoming Steam Machine hardware”

@ReflectiveRuby2 @SadlyItsBradley There are a bunch of compatibility layers at play. Steam Frame is Linux on ARM. Windows->Linux = Proton x86-64 ->ARM = FEX Android -> Linux = Waydroid/Lepton For most of Steam Catalogue, Proton+FEX will be required. For Quest APKs just Lepton will be required.

@zig131 @SadlyItsBradley Ooh, I thought it was to run Windows games on Android.

@ReflectiveRuby2 @SadlyItsBradley Yes - sorry - they forked Waydroid. So probably by the time Frame launches, it will be using "Lepton" rather than Waydroid for compatibility with Android apps, and Quest game builds. But yeah a compatibility layer is needed because SteamOS is not Android based.

@zig131 @SadlyItsBradley I could've sworn there was news about Valve forking some Android compatibility project (I forget the name), and it was assumed it was for the Frame because it's a wireless VR headset similar to the Quest, which does run on Android.

@Gaelotorres @pcgamer @bazzite_gg That may be the case at the moment, but it's clear that Valve are working towards a more generalised release.

@zig131 @pcgamer For hardware different to AMD, @bazzite_gg is better for that task. Also has another set of features outside Steam OS

Big update to SteamOS improves support for non-Valve handhelds, newer platforms, discrete GPUs, and Steam Machine pcgamer.com/hardware/big-u…

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@ReflectiveRuby2 @SadlyItsBradley It doesn't. It runs SteamOS based on Arch Linux. That's a big part of what is exciting about it - it's a Desktop class OS. It uses the Waydroid compatibility later to be able to run Android apps. The question is whether it will be exactly the same build as Deck and Machine.

@zig131 @SadlyItsBradley The Frame runs on Android, I think.

@twlvone @justinryanio "constrained to specific aesthetics" is just text prompting. Ultimately a model can't reproduce anything it hasn't already seen. If you ask to make the gameplay "photorealistic" it is going to refer to the photos it was taught with which will lean towards well lit stock photos.

Jensen's point about fine-tuning to artistic style is what's getting lost. The "AI homogenization" complaint assumes the output is fixed -- but if neural rendering can be constrained to specific aesthetics, the tool becomes expressive rather than prescriptive. This is the same distinction between generative AI that imposes its own style vs. one that bends to yours. The underlying capability is neutral; the question is always how much directorial control the developer actually exposes.

Reporter: Some are concerned NVIDIA’s DLSS 5 will make games look worse or homogeneous. In our Q&A today, Jensen Huang responded: “They’re completely wrong… you can fine tune the generative AI to your artistic style… if you want cartoon, toon shader, made of glass… it’s up to you. It’s not post processing at the frame level. It’s generative control at the geometry level. This is very different than generative AI. It’s content control generative AI.”

@justinryanio "if you want cartoon, toon shader, made of glass…it’s up to you." That just sounds like text prompting an AI Image Generator 🤨 It is also an admittence that they have scraped cartoons for the model's data set, in addition to photography.

@mean_mystic @Big__TeeJ That's a fence sitting position. Frame Generation - as in the interpolative systems we have now - doesn't have any valid use cases.

@zig131 @Big__TeeJ I think rich and the rest of the team has been relatively consistent on frame generation holding to the idea it’s probably wrong to say it increases the frame rate but it has used cases and depends on your personal preference and the game you’re playing

I also want to point out that this video is a complete "mask off" moment. It exposes exactly how the influencer game works. Notice how most of the content from your favorite creators drops after the public discourse is in motion? They wait... completely avoiding taking a stance until public opinion has already shaped the narrative. What you're watching isn't an authentic take. It's calculated pandering. They are just feeding their viewers exactly what they want to hear, rather than what they actually believe. The irony is that these "influencers" are entirely influenced themselves by the internet's herd mentality. You cannot truly trust a creator's opinion unless they are willing to plant their flag before seeing what the rest of the online discourse has already decided. Otherwise, it's all just a performance to keep their echo chamber happy, the view counts high, and the ad dollars rolling in.

@mean_mystic @Big__TeeJ They put the two sycophants, and only one of the doubters on the podcast, and it felt like Alex was holding his tongue. He pointed out fundamental technical issues that lead to the conclusion that the concept will never work, but that was never actually said.

@zig131 @Big__TeeJ Sure. Oliver is clearly quite positive. I think Rich is also relatively positive. I think John is very focused on the moral side according to his tweets and I think Alex just doesn’t think it looks that good right now and is obviously a moral concern.

@mean_mystic @Big__TeeJ This follows on from them fence sitting on frame generation. They sell themselves as technical people, but the technical analysis says frame generation and DLSS are both of nebulous benefit.

@mean_mystic @Big__TeeJ They haven't actually changed thier mind though, they just dedicated more time to criticism. Oliver clearly loves it. The vibe is "it's early days, there are some issues, but this is the future" rather than the sane take that this is stupid, and abominable - a flat out rejection.

@Bemesda @Big__TeeJ This isn't reflected in the podcast though, as it is unbalanced towards the members of the team with a positive view. The takeaway from the discussion ends up being ~"it's early days, there are some issues, but they are fixable, and this is the inevitable, eventual future".

@Big__TeeJ To be fair half of the team had genuine disagreements on this matter.

@Big__TeeJ It's mask off also in the sense that Oliver clearly loves it conceptually. There is a clear refusal to reject it outright, and a clear acceptance that this is the eventual future, and that's fine.

@inscothen @IanCutress That just means the generative model has ingested stolen animation, as well as photography.

@IanCutress jensen said you can make it look like any style you choose including cartoon visuals. that's a far cry from just some tessellation

"It changes the models! It affects the art!" So does tesselation. We've had that since DX11. x.com/IanCutress/sta…

@Loopzook @scottjohnson Nvidia cards have been "stuffed with AI garbage" - i.e. Tensor cores - since Turing/2000 series 🤨 Ada and Blackwell are not substantially different architectures, so I don't know why you'd set the dividing line there.

@scottjohnson The took no notice of the low selling of the 50 series graphics cards stuffed with ai garbage. High end 40 series cards are still selling fo high prices.

If NVIDIA didn’t see this blowback coming, then they’ve entirely lost touch with the industry they were forged in.

@Eviltrkeyslice @tinivule @Karlobster Hence why I put it in inverted commas. How would you describe the way neural networks appear to develop a conception of what things look like?

@zig131 @tinivule @Karlobster It doesn’t know anything, it’s a predictive model.

Funny how Digital Foundry keeps talking about DLSS5 and framing the changes as graphical features instead of calling it what it is, a realtime genAI filter on top of the image. Horrendous work.