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@ccbbcv_ @imhimgojou I didn't say it's like a dream, it's not. It simply never happened because the timeline got reset, which isn't much better at all. Reze's memory, Aki's memory, Asa's memory, everything we built up got undone instantly. It's anti poetic, tiny wins won't make up for everything lost

@ExiGenC @imhimgojou I am personally not totally convinced by this ending, however I cannot deny the poetry and philosophy that emerges from it. And I find the idea that it’s like “a dream” to be completely false, it's not the same thing at all.

Lmao Mappa should not release another CSM movie after this because no one is going to waste their money on pointless plots 😭

@ccbbcv_ @imhimgojou It had more than a few effects, like Nayuta existing instead of Makima ( who wanted CSM ), problem is everything this story has been about was mechanically solved at the very end by Pochita pulling a deus ex, while also removing the entire development of the whole universe. Bad

@ExiGenC @imhimgojou It's not just a reset to chapter 1 ? we see that it had consequences, if only on the events with Asa, it also remains open to Denji's beating heart when she pronounces CSM. The reset was necessary according to Pochita because Denji and CSM could not live happily in the same world

@ccbbcv_ @imhimgojou A power that you introduce at the very end with no foreshadowing, explanation, preparation or lead to it is an asspull of the lowest quality. You cannot shield bad execution with surrealism because that implies any author can get away with any inconsistency, it's a bad precedent

@ExiGenC @imhimgojou Moreover, these changes are caused by Pochita, so it's a power. Pochita's disappearance from this world could very well have more serious consequences than deletions caused by him

@ccbbcv_ @imhimgojou It is a plot device and it is an asspull. Many endings employ them, but "this thing used to do one thing, now at the very end it does something else entirely, and this is what the whole conclusion hinges on it" is a very poorly executed plot device

@ExiGenC @imhimgojou Yes, it's probably a plot device, but it hasn't been contradicted in the work itself, so there's no reason it can't happen. As for the rest, I suggest you read my second message.

@ccbbcv_ @imhimgojou As I said, if the trade-off for the point that the erasure had to happen cause Pochita finally understood what Denji is about is that everything that happened to all characters in this series, including Denji, gets reset to chapter 1, it's simply bad. Less than a Pyrrhic victory.

@ExiGenC @imhimgojou Yes, but to reach that point, these events had to happen. It's the chain of events that led to this erasure. In a dream, nothing happens, it's literally false, whereas here, from a narrative point of view, it really happened and it's important

@ccbbcv_ @imhimgojou You cannot honestly say something like that. That's the same argument you can use to excuse quite literally anything that would happen. "nothing has ever indicated that *fill in convenient blanks*". We go off what we were told and shown, like everything in any story

@ExiGenC @imhimgojou We have seen the use of powers from an external point of view, but nothing has ever indicated that this does not intrinsically alter the course of the world?

@ccbbcv_ @imhimgojou That's a matter of interpretation, but objective fact is that none of 231 chapters ever happened, what we essentially see are characters with the same names, looks and behaviours, yet different that the ones we knew for 7 years. They have none of the memory or the growth

@ExiGenC @imhimgojou I don't see the current chapter as a step backward, but rather a rewrite without the core concept of Chainsaw Man. Like in Life Is Strange, when you see the photos changing, it's shown that way because it concerns the main character.

@ccbbcv_ @imhimgojou Yew we do, we were shown many times how his powers work, and it was blatantly explained earlier in the series as well. This is one of the few things in this story that were crystal clear about the "combat system", and we couldn't even stick to it till the end.

@ExiGenC @imhimgojou We don't know exactly how Pochita's power works when he eliminates Nazis, for example. The world could very well have been rewritten without anyone realizing it. We don't know because we've never seen this power firsthand until now.

@ccbbcv_ @imhimgojou According to how his powers were shown to work. He doesn't reset the timeline as if the concept never existed, he removes it from present world. The trade-off for Pochita doing this for him is that everything that happened to and outside of him never happened anymore. That's bad

@ExiGenC @imhimgojou 1) according to what? That's called a last resort solution, I don't think anyone would want to sacrifice themselves. And events led to Denji being able to live the life he tried to have, but failed, wanting to continue being CSM rather than living the peaceful life he wanted.

@ccbbcv_ @imhimgojou 1) First of all, Pochita shouldn't be able to do this cause that's not how his erasure works 2) IF Pochita was always able to do this, there were never any stakes no matter how low Denji ever got 3) All the growth, deaths and char threads of this whole series meant nothing

@ExiGenC @imhimgojou Why would Pochita have done that without having witnessed Denji's perpetual failures and his relentless, greedy pursuit? Pochita can't see the future, you know. It's because of Denji's actions that he decided to do this.

@ccbbcv_ @imhimgojou Yes, because at any point in the story Pochita could have eaten himself and ended part 2, Denji ( and the whole world ) lost all memory of everything in 231 chapters of story, what the final chapter delivered was fanservicey asspulls sped up. It's exactly what happened.

@ExiGenC @imhimgojou The events of Chainsaw Man did happen, and the ending is the consequence of Denji’s choices. So basically like the events of jojo's part 6. So since Irene exists and not Jolyne, there’s no point in watching JoJo anymore I guess?

@ccbbcv_ @imhimgojou Precisely what led to the reset where nothing in P1 nd P2 ever happened, yes

@imhimgojou What are you talking about? The events happened, that's precisely what led to the end, you didn't rea...oh okay you're a JJK fan

@kamiskilled @Elsuppose @PlayStationUK @KentuckyMario Bait

@Elsuppose @PlayStationUK @KentuckyMario *ending so peak

Thank you... Chainsaw Man. #ResidentEvilRequiem

@emilyis_emilies Brother, the whole point of the meme is that "themes and such" don't shield from extremely poor execution, what CSM had. Good execution isn't even an element, it's a prerequisite to deliver themes.

“themes and such” being like an insult is weird to me because… i feel like. delivering your themes and message properly in a story is more important than like. having a perfectly consistent world forever. a story is meant to make you feel something, not just be wiki fodder

@pissvortex Witness a CSM fan adapting to a horrible ending and denying reality to the point of natural mutation into a new species. It's like how polar bears came to be, but for retards

>it’s closureslop

@el_nuru_luin @YoungwiMn Stratified denial in some

@YoungwiMn 3 hours have passed and now i have to correct myself and say Dear god what has this fan base gave birth to

SOME chainsaw man fans forcing themselves to like csm part 2 and the ending

@OshiNoKei @AniTVOfficial I'm getting really tired of all this unearned head up your ass attitude of CSM defenders, always calling everyone stupid but never offering an actual argument for why the ending is actually good. So in the spirit of being fair, you are profoundly retarded if you liked it.

@AniTVOfficial The goat. Made a manga so deep than idiots can't understand it.

Tatsuki Fujimoto Official Message on his Manga 'Chainsaw Man' Ending: "Thank you so much for reading Chainsaw Man, also thank you to all the assistant staff who helped out! I hear the movie is about to end its run too, i'm truly grateful that you stuck with both for so long!"

@SaferHaywood @MrPinkDuck @TobsVirus @HubPointless Very good argument. Here's my retort then, you're a retarded loser suffering hard from Dunning-Kruger effect. Now we both threw out pointless insults, we're so cool

@ExiGenC @MrPinkDuck @TobsVirus @HubPointless I'm afraid this isn't "CSM fans calling you stupid because that's what they do" this is just the fact that you are stupid.

When was the last time a mainstream big manga had a good ending

@SaferHaywood @MrPinkDuck @TobsVirus @HubPointless Again, not the same. Naruto was a fully told story that got a timeskip sequel that's not about Naruto anymore. CSM as a whole story is comprised of two parts. It's more tied to one another than Naruto with Naruto Shippuden

@ExiGenC @MrPinkDuck @TobsVirus @HubPointless Is Naruto bad because of Boruto?

@SaferHaywood @MrPinkDuck @TobsVirus @HubPointless Never seen it, movies can stand by themselves if they wrap up their own plot threads. Mangas are not the same thing at all. At the end of P1, we still had the questions or where devils came from, what are the other 3 Horsemen doing, the Power promise etc.

@ExiGenC @MrPinkDuck @TobsVirus @HubPointless Do you think the movie Jaws has a bad ending because the sequels suck?